Northern Afleet stands at Taylor Made for $15,000 this year. If you know one simple fact about him, he's a sire with tremendous value:
Northern Afleet's top 10 money earners lifetime are:
Afleet Alex
G P Fleet
Unforgettable Max
Saint Afleet
Chez Audra
Paris Adventure
Ice Wynnd Fire
North Broad
Northern Air
Sabalucious
What do they all have in common? Give up?
Of Northern Afleet's top 10 money earners lifetime, not one has a single drop of Northern Dancer on the damside. Northern Afleet is out a Nureyev mare and has Northern Dancer in his family through his dam, but when Northern Afleet has been bred to mares with Northern Dancer (doubling up ND with him), the result has been foals that aren't in Northern Afleet's top 10 in earnings.
Northern Afleet got 104 mares last year and will probably get the same amount this year. How many of those mares are free of Northern Dancer?
If you have a mare free of Northern Dancer and one that is compatible to Northern Afleet, doesn't Northern Afleet's $15,000 fee suddenly become a bargain?
Hidden value in Northern Afleet
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Hidden value in Northern Afleet
What synthetics are to California racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU
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Here's Northern Afleet's page from the TT Stallion Directory:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stalli ... no=1394968
It lists several nicks that have worked well with Northern Afleet - not ONE having Northern Dancer blood. I think that's amazing in this day and age.
Drew, based on this, you might have something with that colt. It's too bad that 98% of buyers at sales don't make this kind of information available to themselves - otherwise, your colt should have gone for more $$$ based on everything you've said about it.
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stalli ... no=1394968
It lists several nicks that have worked well with Northern Afleet - not ONE having Northern Dancer blood. I think that's amazing in this day and age.
Drew, based on this, you might have something with that colt. It's too bad that 98% of buyers at sales don't make this kind of information available to themselves - otherwise, your colt should have gone for more $$$ based on everything you've said about it.
Why he didn't sell I'll never understand. Unfashionable sire? Too much money? Perfectly sound, excellent body, worked 21.4 then 21.3 comfortably. Galloped out well. But it's up to the buyers to decide what's worth what. As a seller, you are left to set a reserve if any. In his case, I really liked the horse and was not willing to part with him at a loss, any loss. I liked him too much. After the sale I even got a call from several well known trainers who really liked the NORTHERN AFLEETS they are currently training and said they loved mine, and are looking for buyers. But basically, he was off the market. I think that if a horse RNA's for lets say 90k, it's tough the day after to ask for 100k. The public decided he isn't worth that (right or wrong). I however decided he was. And I am happy to keep and race the ones that I feel "fall through the crack".
I hope you are right about the bloodlines. I am excited to see how he looks, after the sales we send them for a vacation at a beautiful Farm in Florida. Its been a few months...
I hope you are right about the bloodlines. I am excited to see how he looks, after the sales we send them for a vacation at a beautiful Farm in Florida. Its been a few months...
Northern Afleet with Air Forbes Won mares: 1 fl, 1 str (100%), 1 wnr (100%), 1 SW (100%).
Northern Afleet with Broad Brush mares: 1 fl, 1 str (100%), 1 wnr (100%), 1 SW (100%).
Northern Afleet with Hawkster mares: 2 fls, 2 strs (100%), 2 wnrs (100%), 2 SWs (100%).
Northern Afleet with High Honors mares: 2 fls, 2 strs (100%), 2 wnrs (100%), 1 SW (50%).
Northern Afleet with Personal Hope mares: 3 fls, 3 strs (100%), 3 wnrs (100%), 1 SW (33%).
Northern Afleet with Saint Ballado mares: 3 fls, 3 strs (100%), 1 wnr (33%), 1 SW (33%).
Northern Afleet with Spectacular Bid mares: 1 fl, 1 str (100%), 1 wnr (100%), 1 SW (100%).
Wow. That's some neat data.
Northern Afleet with Broad Brush mares: 1 fl, 1 str (100%), 1 wnr (100%), 1 SW (100%).
Northern Afleet with Hawkster mares: 2 fls, 2 strs (100%), 2 wnrs (100%), 2 SWs (100%).
Northern Afleet with High Honors mares: 2 fls, 2 strs (100%), 2 wnrs (100%), 1 SW (50%).
Northern Afleet with Personal Hope mares: 3 fls, 3 strs (100%), 3 wnrs (100%), 1 SW (33%).
Northern Afleet with Saint Ballado mares: 3 fls, 3 strs (100%), 1 wnr (33%), 1 SW (33%).
Northern Afleet with Spectacular Bid mares: 1 fl, 1 str (100%), 1 wnr (100%), 1 SW (100%).
Wow. That's some neat data.
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Hey Drew - as much as people talk and write about comformation, they're full of crap. Three things make a horse sell at these sales:
1. Is the horse fashionably bred? Does his breeding say that he'll be an early two year old? The answer with Northern Afleet is: No. You know that....
2. Size matters. Is your colt a big balloon that will awe no-nothing buyers that see him? If he's a "nice size" athletic type, he's not going to sell as well as the giant two year old....you know that, too....
3. What I've noticed about these sales over and over is that it takes just one "prominent" buyer to have an interest in a horse. When people at the sales see a "prominent" buyer looking at a horse, more times than not, that's when they develop an interest in a horse. It's a trendy way of thinking that, "Gee, Mr X is looking at that colt, so there must be something to him!" but I've seen it over and over, Drew.
Any thoughts you agree or disagree with?
1. Is the horse fashionably bred? Does his breeding say that he'll be an early two year old? The answer with Northern Afleet is: No. You know that....
2. Size matters. Is your colt a big balloon that will awe no-nothing buyers that see him? If he's a "nice size" athletic type, he's not going to sell as well as the giant two year old....you know that, too....
3. What I've noticed about these sales over and over is that it takes just one "prominent" buyer to have an interest in a horse. When people at the sales see a "prominent" buyer looking at a horse, more times than not, that's when they develop an interest in a horse. It's a trendy way of thinking that, "Gee, Mr X is looking at that colt, so there must be something to him!" but I've seen it over and over, Drew.
Any thoughts you agree or disagree with?
Rokeby Forever wrote:Hey Drew - as much as people talk and write about comformation, they're full of crap. Three things make a horse sell at these sales:
1. Is the horse fashionably bred? Does his breeding say that he'll be an early two year old? The answer with Northern Afleet is: No. You know that....
2. Size matters. Is your colt a big balloon that will awe no-nothing buyers that see him? If he's a "nice size" athletic type, he's not going to sell as well as the giant two year old....you know that, too....
3. What I've noticed about these sales over and over is that it takes just one "prominent" buyer to have an interest in a horse. When people at the sales see a "prominent" buyer looking at a horse, more times than not, that's when they develop an interest in a horse. It's a trendy way of thinking that, "Gee, Mr X is looking at that colt, so there must be something to him!" but I've seen it over and over, Drew.
Any thoughts you agree or disagree with?
Fact, fact and fact... also, at the 2YO sale you have breeze and action to consider. But you are right, it's about getting the big names to "eye" the horse. It means everything if your talking about the "big score". If you are talking regular horsemen, it really only takes 2 interested people to make a profit. If just one person is hot on the horse, nobody else bids and the horse wont get sold at auction.
Hi Roke, I hope you are not saying doubling up on Northern Dancer is a mistake? But just may be with this particular sire...right?
I'm sure we all can name some pretty outstanding horses that were double, if not triple Northern Dancer.
I have a SPW mare who earned over $65,000 in 11 starts all at 2 she is double Northern Dancer.
I was wondering what some thoughts are on breeding her to a sire that may have Northern Dancer (which was done by breeding to Unusual Heat) or a sire that is also double like Tiznow??? Maybe too much no?
OH by the way she is very correct...with short cannon bones and good bone all around. Mel Stute race her and she had 40 works and 11 starts all at 2...Santa Anita and Del Mar etc Many of her works were quite impressive indeed.
She is being bred to Fastappy's sire Thisnearlywasmine Seattle Slew/In Reality right now.
I'm sure we all can name some pretty outstanding horses that were double, if not triple Northern Dancer.
I have a SPW mare who earned over $65,000 in 11 starts all at 2 she is double Northern Dancer.
I was wondering what some thoughts are on breeding her to a sire that may have Northern Dancer (which was done by breeding to Unusual Heat) or a sire that is also double like Tiznow??? Maybe too much no?
OH by the way she is very correct...with short cannon bones and good bone all around. Mel Stute race her and she had 40 works and 11 starts all at 2...Santa Anita and Del Mar etc Many of her works were quite impressive indeed.
She is being bred to Fastappy's sire Thisnearlywasmine Seattle Slew/In Reality right now.
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Drew, I'm not sure that Northern Afleet foals are "fine" when they're doubled to Northern Dancer. Having Northern Dancer doubled, tripled, and I've seen cases of quadrupled, can produce a really good racehorse - with Northern Afleet, it's not the case. Why? Who knows? Nothing in breeding is absolute.
I think there's tremendous value in knowing this. When buyers look at a sales page, I think 90% look for the name "Northern Dancer." and when they see it on only one side and appearing once, they'll get turned off by the pedigree...less Northern Dancer = less fashionable. That means you can STEAL Northern Afleet's best runners because the people looking for lots of ND won't find it in horses like Afleet Alex.
That's why Drew might be better off selling his Northern Afleet off the racetrack. Of his pedigree, the lack of ND makes him an unfashionable horse, but, if he can run a big one, the sky is the limit as far as value - didn't Curlin sell for $3.2 Million off a single race?
I think there's tremendous value in knowing this. When buyers look at a sales page, I think 90% look for the name "Northern Dancer." and when they see it on only one side and appearing once, they'll get turned off by the pedigree...less Northern Dancer = less fashionable. That means you can STEAL Northern Afleet's best runners because the people looking for lots of ND won't find it in horses like Afleet Alex.
That's why Drew might be better off selling his Northern Afleet off the racetrack. Of his pedigree, the lack of ND makes him an unfashionable horse, but, if he can run a big one, the sky is the limit as far as value - didn't Curlin sell for $3.2 Million off a single race?
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Afleet Alex sold for $75,000 at a May F-T two year old sale. How badly could a horse like Afleet Alex have showed? It's probably the pedigree page that kept him at $75,000.
When Afleet Alex broke his maiden at Delaware Park, Nick Zito saw the race off the simulcast and offered Cash Is King $1 Million for him - it was turned down and the rest is history.
That might be the way to go with Northern Afleets - get one that can show something early on the racetrack and they're great investments. And when a horse isn't fashionable off the pedigree page, once it shows it can run, the offers will still come pouring in - and the fact that you're likely to get a better Northern Afleet without Northern Dancer on the damside makes them that much more affordable. That's value, in my book!
When Afleet Alex broke his maiden at Delaware Park, Nick Zito saw the race off the simulcast and offered Cash Is King $1 Million for him - it was turned down and the rest is history.
That might be the way to go with Northern Afleets - get one that can show something early on the racetrack and they're great investments. And when a horse isn't fashionable off the pedigree page, once it shows it can run, the offers will still come pouring in - and the fact that you're likely to get a better Northern Afleet without Northern Dancer on the damside makes them that much more affordable. That's value, in my book!
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