Obscure stallions with high percentage of stakes winners

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Obscure stallions with high percentage of stakes winners

Postby Mac » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:15 am

There are a few sires standing in New Mexico that have a high percentage of stakes winners, though not necessariy graded. Ghostly Moves, Prospector Jones and Desert God all have 10-12% sw's from total foals, which is about as good as it gets, and out of very sub-average mares. Plus there are sires like Silver Season and Rocky Gulch with multiple sw's from a handful of starters. But AEI is not that high for most of these sires. Is that something peculiar to the New Mexico market? Or is it that sires with mares around .77 comparable index simply can't pull their aei to 1.25 or better in most cases, even when getting more #s of sw's than average?

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Postby summerhorse » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:22 am

Without seeing what races they won I would guess it is the big fish in the small pond phenomenom. Probably they do very well in the local stakes (surrounding states) where the competition is not so fierce but if competing in KY or NY (for example) their % would probably drop quite a bit. Just a guess though.
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don't get it - purses are strong enough

Postby Mac » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:46 am

if these stakes winners (out of New Mexico sires) are racing in New Mexico, the purses are decent enough these days. Unless a lot of the foals are unraced, which may be typical of a lot of mares who don't seem to be producing runners. I often wonder what percentage of foals, and say fillies, never even get trained for no reason other than the owner just didn't want to spend the money that year, or whatever. And yes I agree, the competition may not be as tough as some markets.

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Postby summerhorse » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:21 pm

Yeah you see that in smaller markets. Someone may have a nicely bred filly but just can't afford to train/race her but don't necessarily want to sell her either. Even in small ponds its expensive to keep a racehorse!
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Postby griff » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:14 pm

check out LIMIT OUT

Stands in WV with a 2006 80% winners from starters and 16% stakes winners..

WVBRED incentives went up to 100% at Mountaineer a couple of weeks ago but I din't expect them to stay that high.. WVBRED slots revenue just increased from 1.5% to 3% of gross.

Definitely now the place to race a WVBRED but PA will be the future.

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Postby Tiz » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:51 pm

New Mexico has a very tight statebred program, and they run for lots of money down there. In fact, a friend of mine, whose son trained in New Mexico, told me that it's getting pretty tough there. Horses that run there are shipping to SoCal, and moving up, to give you an idea.