Can anyone tell me the height of these stallions:
Carson City
Mr. Prospector
Stalwart
Raise A Native
Blushing Groom
Hoist The Flag
Victors Pride
Native Dancer
Nashua
Red God
Nijinsky
Tom Rolfe
Iron Ruler
Impressive
Fleet Nasrullah
Polynesian
Case Ace
Count Fleet
Wild Risk
Northern Dancer
Crozier
Ribot
War Admiral
Never Bend
Prince John
Court Martial
Amerigo
Stallion heights
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Since there is no formal mechanism for determining and reporting actual heights, we're all essentially at the mercy of the person who records it on advertising materials. Few stallion owners with a small horse will understate his size; nor will the owner of a 17.2 horse overstate that fact. I take these numbers with the grain of salt.
Even if Blushing Groom stood on Lyphard's back he wouldn't have reached 16 hands. Northern Dancer's actual has been documented at no taller than 15.1 hands. A giant stallion like *Petrone would likely have stood his advertised 16.2 hands only as a 2yo. Over the years I've shook my head in disbelief many times over the creative license some of these farms have taken in promoting their horses. Until I stand up close to a horse myself do I put much faith in his measurement. Some extremely well balanced horses, like TIZNOW, appear deceivingly small when viewed at some distance; it's only when you get up next to him that you can see just how tall he stands.
Kind of like that warning on the bottom of rear-view mirrors: "Objects may be larger than they appear."
Even if Blushing Groom stood on Lyphard's back he wouldn't have reached 16 hands. Northern Dancer's actual has been documented at no taller than 15.1 hands. A giant stallion like *Petrone would likely have stood his advertised 16.2 hands only as a 2yo. Over the years I've shook my head in disbelief many times over the creative license some of these farms have taken in promoting their horses. Until I stand up close to a horse myself do I put much faith in his measurement. Some extremely well balanced horses, like TIZNOW, appear deceivingly small when viewed at some distance; it's only when you get up next to him that you can see just how tall he stands.
Kind of like that warning on the bottom of rear-view mirrors: "Objects may be larger than they appear."
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Stallion registers always add height to a stallion.
I remember seeing Kelly Kip in the paddock at Belmont. There's no way that he's bigger than 15 hands...but no stallion register will list him as that small.
I remember seeing Kelly Kip in the paddock at Belmont. There's no way that he's bigger than 15 hands...but no stallion register will list him as that small.
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Hi Michael,
Gave me a chuckle and you're on the mark.
How hard is it to 'stick' a stallion to measure his height? To look through the Stallion register you'd think that it was very difficult or considered to be unimportant by the number of missing and incorrect entries.
Kudos to Three Chimneys (and the other farms) who will list heights for all their stallions even when they don't fall into the current fashion such as Rahy @15.1hh and Dynaformer @17.0hh. I get a kick out of how accurate the measurements can be when their stallion is 'nearly' 16.0hh and you see 15.3-3/4hh listed.
The popular range seems to be 15.3hh+ to 16.2hh and I've heard some bizarre excuses why their listed height differed from my own measurements. "The stallion puffs up when you get close to him", I was told in one case. This narrow band (15.3 to 16.2) is similar to saying that all human men are between the height of 5'10" to 6'1".
There's no regulation on what can be listed as a stallion's height so it's buyer beware.
Regards,
Pete
Gave me a chuckle and you're on the mark.
How hard is it to 'stick' a stallion to measure his height? To look through the Stallion register you'd think that it was very difficult or considered to be unimportant by the number of missing and incorrect entries.
Kudos to Three Chimneys (and the other farms) who will list heights for all their stallions even when they don't fall into the current fashion such as Rahy @15.1hh and Dynaformer @17.0hh. I get a kick out of how accurate the measurements can be when their stallion is 'nearly' 16.0hh and you see 15.3-3/4hh listed.
The popular range seems to be 15.3hh+ to 16.2hh and I've heard some bizarre excuses why their listed height differed from my own measurements. "The stallion puffs up when you get close to him", I was told in one case. This narrow band (15.3 to 16.2) is similar to saying that all human men are between the height of 5'10" to 6'1".
There's no regulation on what can be listed as a stallion's height so it's buyer beware.
Regards,
Pete
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This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
The funniest one I heard, when the stallion looked smaller than his advertised height, was "he just had his feet trimmed."
Not only looks can be deceiving, so can advertising. That is why I go to see every stallion I ever think of breeding a mare to. I believe the horse in front of me. Not the hype, advertising or spin doctor's version.
Not only looks can be deceiving, so can advertising. That is why I go to see every stallion I ever think of breeding a mare to. I believe the horse in front of me. Not the hype, advertising or spin doctor's version.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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Pete,
Speaking of sticking horses. I pretty much trust my own call on a horse's height if I can walk right up to him. But I enjoy sticking my young horses, beginning about right now, to track their growth. A couple years ago, my young horses' measurements hadn't increased in several months, which I couldn't understand, until I at last realized that the metal tab at the base of the stick had fallen off. So every time I stabilized it during a measurement I was also pushing it into the soil! Amazing I can figure out how to get myself out of bed in the morning.
Speaking of sticking horses. I pretty much trust my own call on a horse's height if I can walk right up to him. But I enjoy sticking my young horses, beginning about right now, to track their growth. A couple years ago, my young horses' measurements hadn't increased in several months, which I couldn't understand, until I at last realized that the metal tab at the base of the stick had fallen off. So every time I stabilized it during a measurement I was also pushing it into the soil! Amazing I can figure out how to get myself out of bed in the morning.
Hi Michael,
I hate when the stick falls apart
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I too (almost always) judge height by eye. I know that I can just see above the withers of a 15.3 horse and simply adjust the difference. The key is to be on level ground.
In the case that I mentioned I'd been measuring young stock with a folding measuring stick and put it in the truck when we went to breed some mares. It's a long story why I was left with the groom and stallion for so long but I got the stick out of the truck and measured him in every direction and he was 17.0hh. I guess he was 'puffed up'?
Regards,
Pete
I hate when the stick falls apart
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I too (almost always) judge height by eye. I know that I can just see above the withers of a 15.3 horse and simply adjust the difference. The key is to be on level ground.
In the case that I mentioned I'd been measuring young stock with a folding measuring stick and put it in the truck when we went to breed some mares. It's a long story why I was left with the groom and stallion for so long but I got the stick out of the truck and measured him in every direction and he was 17.0hh. I guess he was 'puffed up'?
Regards,
Pete
Has a palomino jean that pop up some.
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
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[quote="griff"]I have always thought that the dam has more enfluience on a foal's size than the stallion..
griff[/quote]
It depends if you're talking to the mare or stallion owner!
I've seen plenty of examples of this, and its opposite, phenomenon to put much faith in it. In my own case, I have several 15.0 hand mares (or less), who have produced big, 16.2 hand horses, and several 16.0 hand mares (or more) who have produced 15.2-3 hand horses--all by the same sire! At the same time, I've noticed that all these foals inherited the thick bone of their sire, irrespective of their dam's contribution.
On Monday, one of my 15.1 hand mares foaled her third foal by this same stallion. According to the farm manager (who's been foaling mares for 35 years) this foal is the biggest he's ever seen. Her head is already at her dam's withers. Her 15.0 hand mother also produced a huge foal by that stallion in January. Yet, a big 16.1 hand mare foaled a less than average size foal, again by the same stallion, last week. In fairness, this was her first foal, which usually are on the smaller side.
As much as it would simplify the breeding selection process, black and white rules about size (and most everything!) are broken on a regular basis.
griff[/quote]
It depends if you're talking to the mare or stallion owner!
I've seen plenty of examples of this, and its opposite, phenomenon to put much faith in it. In my own case, I have several 15.0 hand mares (or less), who have produced big, 16.2 hand horses, and several 16.0 hand mares (or more) who have produced 15.2-3 hand horses--all by the same sire! At the same time, I've noticed that all these foals inherited the thick bone of their sire, irrespective of their dam's contribution.
On Monday, one of my 15.1 hand mares foaled her third foal by this same stallion. According to the farm manager (who's been foaling mares for 35 years) this foal is the biggest he's ever seen. Her head is already at her dam's withers. Her 15.0 hand mother also produced a huge foal by that stallion in January. Yet, a big 16.1 hand mare foaled a less than average size foal, again by the same stallion, last week. In fairness, this was her first foal, which usually are on the smaller side.
As much as it would simplify the breeding selection process, black and white rules about size (and most everything!) are broken on a regular basis.
CA Michael
Agree, all rules are made to be broken
I do, however, still content that the mare has more imput on size than the stallion.
breed a mammoth jack to a large cold blood mare and you'll get a strong 16 hh tough, smart, hard working mule.. Breed a large cold blood stallion to a mammoth jenny and you get a very small animal that few would digify with the name mule. .
lastly, it's been my experience that the size of a new born foal has little to nothing to do with how tall they mature.
griff
Agree, all rules are made to be broken
I do, however, still content that the mare has more imput on size than the stallion.
breed a mammoth jack to a large cold blood mare and you'll get a strong 16 hh tough, smart, hard working mule.. Breed a large cold blood stallion to a mammoth jenny and you get a very small animal that few would digify with the name mule. .
lastly, it's been my experience that the size of a new born foal has little to nothing to do with how tall they mature.
griff
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