Hawk Wing
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erins isle
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Hi, just by accident I found this: from the Racing Post
ALTHOUGH he won at the highest level in each of his three seasons, Hawk Wing had the misfortune to be trained at Ballydoyle during the era of Rock Of Gibraltar and High Chaparral.
That outstanding duo denied him a Classic victory – he was runner-upto them in the 2,000 Guineas and Derby – and he remained rather in their shadow as a three-year-old, despite his Group 1 triumph in the Eclipse Stakes. Although the Eclipse was his only victory at three, Hawk Wing (below) was runner-up in his four other races, all Group 1s, including a short-head defeat in the Irish Champion Stakes.
It was at four that he finally gained a reputation as a superstar. He did so by demolishing a classy field in the Group 1 Lockinge Stakes, where he cruised home 11 lengthsclear of Where Or When, who beat him in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes the previous September.
Hawk Wing had the durability to race at the top level at four, but he was also a very talented juvenile, winning on his debut in May and later landing the National Stakes.
His precocity coupled with his sire's occasional knack for producing smart juveniles gives Hawk Wing an excellent chance of making an impact with his first crop.
His race record was certain to attract high-class mares, and Hawk Wing has well over 100 foals in his first crop. The most expensive of these was a half-sister to last season's Prix Ganay victor Corre Caminos, snapped up by MAB Agency for €420,000. His progeny were picked up by several leading agents and trainers, with Jeremy Noseda and Dermot Weld among the buyers.
Sons of Woodman have not made much impact at stud, but Hawk Wing's distaff line gives him a chance of bucking the trend. La Lorgnette was an outstanding filly in Canada, and her first foal, Alexandrina, has produced the Grade 1 winner Thornfield, while two more daughters are also stakes producers.
ALTHOUGH he won at the highest level in each of his three seasons, Hawk Wing had the misfortune to be trained at Ballydoyle during the era of Rock Of Gibraltar and High Chaparral.
That outstanding duo denied him a Classic victory – he was runner-upto them in the 2,000 Guineas and Derby – and he remained rather in their shadow as a three-year-old, despite his Group 1 triumph in the Eclipse Stakes. Although the Eclipse was his only victory at three, Hawk Wing (below) was runner-up in his four other races, all Group 1s, including a short-head defeat in the Irish Champion Stakes.
It was at four that he finally gained a reputation as a superstar. He did so by demolishing a classy field in the Group 1 Lockinge Stakes, where he cruised home 11 lengthsclear of Where Or When, who beat him in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes the previous September.
Hawk Wing had the durability to race at the top level at four, but he was also a very talented juvenile, winning on his debut in May and later landing the National Stakes.
His precocity coupled with his sire's occasional knack for producing smart juveniles gives Hawk Wing an excellent chance of making an impact with his first crop.
His race record was certain to attract high-class mares, and Hawk Wing has well over 100 foals in his first crop. The most expensive of these was a half-sister to last season's Prix Ganay victor Corre Caminos, snapped up by MAB Agency for €420,000. His progeny were picked up by several leading agents and trainers, with Jeremy Noseda and Dermot Weld among the buyers.
Sons of Woodman have not made much impact at stud, but Hawk Wing's distaff line gives him a chance of bucking the trend. La Lorgnette was an outstanding filly in Canada, and her first foal, Alexandrina, has produced the Grade 1 winner Thornfield, while two more daughters are also stakes producers.
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halfpint23
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He's also one good-looking stallion by any measure!
We own a broodmare who is closely related to him on both sides of her pedigree, Always Pleasing.
http://www.irishhuntersandjumpers.com/Mares.html
While her racing was cut short by injury (HUGE scars on her rear quarter) both of her TB foals have shown speed and toughness, and hopefully will do well. They are very sane horses as a family. I do need to update our webpage to reflect the latest iteration of Coolmore's site, they keep moving him around and I have to update the link.
http://www.coolmore.com/stallions/ireland/hawk_wing/
We own a broodmare who is closely related to him on both sides of her pedigree, Always Pleasing.
http://www.irishhuntersandjumpers.com/Mares.html
While her racing was cut short by injury (HUGE scars on her rear quarter) both of her TB foals have shown speed and toughness, and hopefully will do well. They are very sane horses as a family. I do need to update our webpage to reflect the latest iteration of Coolmore's site, they keep moving him around and I have to update the link.
http://www.coolmore.com/stallions/ireland/hawk_wing/
I'm hardly surprised wallinga given that Coolmore drag him out for two seasons only. He was gone before his first yearlings went through the ring! 
No hype means they sell on their merits and some of them did do OK but they probably looked the part.
I just had to send one of my mares to him. The synergies with the mating were too good to be ignored so I did a foal share with Coolmore. The now weanling colt is going to grow into a very nice horse.
Although I'm pleased I'm not relying on the sale proceeds to keep me and my horses fed........
Maybe I should make them an offer for what I think he is worth. They price their stallions for what they think they are worth so I'm sure they would understand my logic.
No hype means they sell on their merits and some of them did do OK but they probably looked the part.
I just had to send one of my mares to him. The synergies with the mating were too good to be ignored so I did a foal share with Coolmore. The now weanling colt is going to grow into a very nice horse.
Although I'm pleased I'm not relying on the sale proceeds to keep me and my horses fed........
Maybe I should make them an offer for what I think he is worth. They price their stallions for what they think they are worth so I'm sure they would understand my logic.
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wallinga
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What's the mare if I may ask? I'm not unhappy they are not doing so well. I might try and pick up a cheap one. I mean on looks alone he's great. The Val De"lorne adds a lot of refinement and had he not raced in the generation of High Chapparal and The Rock he might be considered the best horse of the naughties!
Good luck with the foal. Talk tough, and potentially race a star.
Good luck with the foal. Talk tough, and potentially race a star.
It's my little Fairy King mare, Queen Titania. 
I actually don't mind the boys at Coolmore. They don't bother trying to butter me up as they know I am not going to spend more than $15k on ANY service fee at the moment. That will only change when one of the girls throws a Group winner. Then I will have something to negotiate with.
I actually don't mind the boys at Coolmore. They don't bother trying to butter me up as they know I am not going to spend more than $15k on ANY service fee at the moment. That will only change when one of the girls throws a Group winner. Then I will have something to negotiate with.
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wallinga
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Flight wrote:It's my little Fairy King mare, Queen Titania.
I actually don't mind the boys at Coolmore. They don't bother trying to butter me up as they know I am not going to spend more than $15k on ANY service fee at the moment. That will only change when one of the girls throws a Group winner. Then I will have something to negotiate with.
Very true. Pete O'Brien is a good bloke and at least you know they'll take your mare. Did you see Spinning World is down to 8.8 this year? I know he's a nutcase but his results are as good as some of the other stallions.
Good luck with the mare, Do you still have a hand in Rue Cambon?
I bought the mare after Rue had been weaned. Looks like she was a foal share and Vinery bought out the previous owner.
Unlike QT's colts, Rue was a bit on the small side. Neat but small so that's why they didn't run her through the sales. They did send her to be broken in and trained but I'm not sure why she didn't make it to the track and who has her now. Must ring the trainer when I have nothing to do one day and see how good his memory is....
She has about six duplications of La Troienne so she may end up an interesting broodie.
Spinning World does have fertility problems so that is why he is so cheap compared to most but yes I agree he can get a good horse so could well be worth the gamble if you know your mare is very fertile.
I wonder who made SW crazy??????
Unlike QT's colts, Rue was a bit on the small side. Neat but small so that's why they didn't run her through the sales. They did send her to be broken in and trained but I'm not sure why she didn't make it to the track and who has her now. Must ring the trainer when I have nothing to do one day and see how good his memory is....
She has about six duplications of La Troienne so she may end up an interesting broodie.
Spinning World does have fertility problems so that is why he is so cheap compared to most but yes I agree he can get a good horse so could well be worth the gamble if you know your mare is very fertile.
I wonder who made SW crazy??????
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wallinga
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Who trained her, aap doesn't have her trialling or anything?
I can't think what made Spinning World so bonkers, I know hindsight is 20-20 but if you look at his BC mile photo, he's got a wild eye.
When they bring him out, he's muzzled up like a rabid dog, there's more leather, rag and metal than the gimp from pulp fiction. But results speak for themselves, when he get's a good one, he get's a real good one and if he's sub fertile that's all the more impressive. He's a nice racey stallion, and Nureyev is starting to do well here. At least the mare I'm thinking of is good natured, and not all his offspring have picked up the same habits as the father.
Good luck with the Hawk Wing, I'll be keeping an eye out for the Show A Heart too.
I can't think what made Spinning World so bonkers, I know hindsight is 20-20 but if you look at his BC mile photo, he's got a wild eye.
When they bring him out, he's muzzled up like a rabid dog, there's more leather, rag and metal than the gimp from pulp fiction. But results speak for themselves, when he get's a good one, he get's a real good one and if he's sub fertile that's all the more impressive. He's a nice racey stallion, and Nureyev is starting to do well here. At least the mare I'm thinking of is good natured, and not all his offspring have picked up the same habits as the father.
Good luck with the Hawk Wing, I'll be keeping an eye out for the Show A Heart too.
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Sangue Vecchio
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Wallinga
I finally rang the trainer and unfortunately Rue is no longer. She broke a bone in her foot and even though they tried to save her they had to put her down a couple of years ago. She was however going really well in her in work which is encouraging.
Of course he got a winner! I knew he would all along.
Now they just have to keep winning.
I finally rang the trainer and unfortunately Rue is no longer. She broke a bone in her foot and even though they tried to save her they had to put her down a couple of years ago. She was however going really well in her in work which is encouraging.
Of course he got a winner! I knew he would all along.
Now they just have to keep winning.