How to evaluate this info?

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:25 am

What conclusions can be drawn from this information:
http://www.stallions.com.au/list/golden_snake_SR.asp

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:54 pm

Looks like a flop to me. He received some very nice mares yet produced only a handful of decent winners, only one group SW. A flop is a flop no matter where he goes, so if you're thinking of buying into him, think again, IMO

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:11 pm

Thanks CA Michael. How does it show that he got nice mares?

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:17 pm

What happens normally with a stallion that proves to be a flop? How much is such a stallion still worth?
http://www.nationalstud.co.uk/images/Le ... nakeXX.jpg
http://www.virtualformguide.com/photos/ ... nsnake.jpg

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:57 am

I didn't use any numerical tool for comparison, I just eye balled the sires of the mares bred and concluded that they were a better than decent lot. In the U.S. we have the AEI/CL percentages which give a fairly accurate reading of established stallions, but I didn't see a comparable measuring stick on the report you posted. Common sense also dictates that if the horse was a success, the owners likely wouldn't be selling him.

Personally, I wouldn't take this horse for free. If he hasn't sired much with good books of mares, why should be improve with mares booked at a discounted stud fee?

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:18 am

Is this really that bad?
http://www.virtualformguide.com/cgi-bin ... e=goldsba8

springboro · Postby **springboro** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:55 am

If I'm reading the information on the sire page correctly, it looks like he has been bred almost exclusively to AUS, GB, and other European mares. I see no USA mares ... perhaps he's in need of some American blood?

Just a wild guess.

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:43 am

He is a shuttle stallion between Europe and Australia.
http://www.lyndenparkstud.com.au/goldensnake.htm
http://www.nationalstud.co.uk/stallions-GSnake.asp
http://www.greentreestud.com/Golden%20Snake.htm

It looks like his progeny are of the late maturing type.
I think that if he really is a flop he could make good sporthorse material.

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:56 pm

Apparently he has had two crops to race with one SW. The most recent stats you posted give little clue as to the quality of his progeny, only the distances at which they performed. However, a preponderance of them seem to have raced at the lower purse level, if Im reading the stats correctly. He looks a decent enough horse, but as a prospective sporthorse stallion, I'll leave that determination to you.

springboro · Postby **springboro** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:19 am

At stud GOLDEN SNAKE has got off to an impressive start. His first crop of 2yo's produced 86% winners/placed horses to runners and includes Austrian Group 1 and Group 2 winner, CUBA CANDY (Champion 2yo in Austria). The son of GOLDEN SNAKE won the Gr.2 2000 Guineas, earning his entry into the 2006 Austrian Derby, which he duly won in fine style, early in his 3yo campaign.

In the Southern Hemisphere, smart performing colt ANTIDOTES, earnt black type when finishing runner-up in the Gr.2 Stan Fox Stakes (7f) and was 3rd in the Gr.3 Inglis Carbine Club Stakes, over a mile..

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:36 am

springboro, is that AUSTRIAN or AUSTRALIAN ? There's a major difference between the quality of racing in those two countries.

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:50 am

It was the Austrian Derby.

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:16 am

mmm. Are you sure? The mares he covered were sired by Australian stallions, including Geiger Counter, damsire of the SW in question. Also, the statistical summary indicates Golden Snake's only SW was in AUS (Australia), which is only logical. Did this SW somehow end up in Eastern Europe???

Foggytrip · Postby **Foggytrip** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:15 am

No its not that bad Elles. Is he for sale?

CA Michael · Postby **CA Michael** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:21 pm

foggytrip, what are you seeing that I'm not? If indeed his only stakes winner was in AUSTRIA, I don't think anyone would consider his stallion performance as good as average. Considering he's a multiple Group One winning son of Danzig and the excellent race and brood mare DUBIAN, his achievements at stud are pathetic.