Majesty's Prince

[springboro]

what can anyone tell me about this stallion? I see that he won over 2 million at the track (back in the early 80s) but appears to have been a total flop in the breeding shed. Comments?

[larrygene]

I think you have said it all.

[winds]

Well, I think I know a little about Majesty's Prince, since I foaled him and broke him. I also know what Mr. Marsh his owner did that doomed him from the start as a stallion.

First, he is a highly intelligent, kind horse. He ran his eyeballs out for Mr. Marsh. But, when Mr. Marsh first stood him at stud, the farm wanted to advertise him in Europe. Since he was a very good turf horse, they wanted to woe the Europeans to bring their good mares over to him. However, when Mr. Marsh saw a bill for a European breeding magazine, he was on the phone with them telling them to cease and desist any advertisements in Europe. When they told him why they were doing it, he said (and I know, I was sitting across from him at his desk) "Majesty's Prince won on the dirt too and I don't want him known as just a turf horse, I want him to produce dirt runners too. I just want mares that ran on the dirt to him." He had a bunch of Majesty's Princes and would not run them on the turf.

My boss at the time had a nice Torsion mare, we went ahead and foal shared with Mr. Marsh, 2 times. So, we had 2 full brothers, their names- Majesty's Time and Dr. Kiernan. Majesty's Time would run on dirt, slop, turf, glass, he didn't care, just put him in the gate and say go. Just don't ask him to rate behind horses, he'd rate kindly in front, nice and relaxed, but he'd get po'd if you asked him to rate behind and when you'd ask him for run coming down the stretch, he'd tell you were to get off. But leave him alone, he'd run like a champ.

Dr. Kiernan on the other hand had to have grass. No grass, no try. He did win the Bowling Green H Gr II turf though.

So, I think that if the majority of his foals had been put on the grass he would have had much better stats.

He was so easy to break, I was able to put my greenest rider on him. She'd fall off, he'd stop and nudge her to get up and get back on. This is a yearling I'm talking about, when he was a baby.................

Thanks,
winds

[mbj]

He was a very good-looking and kind old boy when I saw him, and I believe was known for siring durable, handsome big sporthorses. Bred my mare to him for that, but unfortunately she slipped. Wasquite fertile as an old guy.

[springboro]

Well, the reason I started this whole thread is that one of his daughters (from a very decent family) is for sale for $500 on Equine.com.

check her out at http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=497977

The woman doesn't have her papers, and I think this horse came through ReRun.

[winds]

I guess it depends on what you want to use her for, a sport horse or a broodmare. If it's the latter, I think you could contact the Jockey Club, give them her name, pedigree, tatoo # (if she has one) and tell them you bought her from ReRun and want a duplicate of her foal papers.

That way you can register her foals.

Keep us updated.

winds

[madelyn]

You don't need the mare's papers to register her foals if she is bred to a Thoroughbred. Provided the papers were not turned in to the Jockey Club reporting the mare deceased or "sold without pedigree" no one at the JC ever needs to see her papers. I have three mares whose papers were lost and I have been able to register every foal out of them. Regarding getting duplicates, it ain't that easy. You have to track down the last owner who had the papers, etc.

You WOULD need the mare's papers for any other kind of breeding, ie: Appendix (QH), Anglo-Arab, Warmblood, etc., and usually for any state bred program you would need to register the mare in for breeder's awards (TB). In KY, you don't need the mare's papers at all for TB.

BTW on two of the mares I have whose papers were lost, I managed to track down photopies through a little sales company in Ohio. The mares were sold through one of their sales back in 2002. Talk about GREAT RECORDS, they were the best. They faxed me the copies.

[winds]

I just feel better having the papers in my possesion. I guess it's a personal thing, I've had to get duplicate papers before so I know what it takes.

winds

[Skipitgirl]

I owned a gelding by him named Machine Gun Kelly. Started 99 times (retired sound too!) in his career before he went on to do dressage and some over fences stuff. He was very kind and quite talented.