Fu Peg and sons
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Fu Peg and sons
I'm curious. I, personally, think Fu Peg is quite overrated, and pretty much everything I hear others say about him and his sons tends to support my opinion. However, I know that there are always two sides to the story, so I'm interested in hearing thoughts on Fu Peg and his sons as stallions from others here... anyone care to jump in? Positive or negative, or just thoughts in general?
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"Don't be a boorish buffoon" -Hokies Respect 'Jerk Alert'
I never liked FuPeg and his line.. they are setting that wonderful new standard of 6% or less stakes winners to runners.. let alone to foals. But they ARE commercial, at least inside the power circle of Coolmore, Hill 'n Dale, etc.
Unless you have 100 or more of your own mares, though, and the clout to strongarm 80 more mares out of your pals for an inflated stud fee, I don't know that I would look at trying to STAND a FuPeg without the chandeliers in the barn...
Unless you have 100 or more of your own mares, though, and the clout to strongarm 80 more mares out of your pals for an inflated stud fee, I don't know that I would look at trying to STAND a FuPeg without the chandeliers in the barn...
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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springboro wrote:stop saying that! I have two mares in foal to the recently moved Andromeda's Hero. Shhhhhhhhhhh
But now you could get to him for less than half the fee in NY. It's like a markdown of your inventory. And they dumped him after just his first year covering mares. Shows what they REALLY thought of him... hopefully you did not pay the fee yet. I'd go back and hit them with a renegotiation, or you might get "lucky" and lose one.. in your shoes I would be ROYALLY pissed off.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
"hopefully you did not pay the fee yet. I'd go back and hit them with a renegotiation, or you might get "lucky" and lose one..."
If you never want/plan on doing business with that farm again - you could try these tactics. However, I can guarantee you that these suggestions are some of the quickest ways onto a farm's blackball list - especially if they find that she was deliberately aborted. Keep in mind that the farms talk to each other too - so this could land you on more than one s*it list.
Yes, it is unfortunate that the stallion was moved. I'm sure that Richland Hills did not go into the 2007 season expecting to move him for 2008. Obviously he wasn't as well received as they hoped. Maybe the farm isn't made of $$ and had to cut their losses so they could continue operating. Breeders take a risk every time they breed to any stallion - especially those in the 10K and under range. The contract was negotiated already. Re-negotiation is just poor form.
*edited - yes Madelyn he was at Richland Hills. Nathan Fox is the owner, so I just put those two together...
If you never want/plan on doing business with that farm again - you could try these tactics. However, I can guarantee you that these suggestions are some of the quickest ways onto a farm's blackball list - especially if they find that she was deliberately aborted. Keep in mind that the farms talk to each other too - so this could land you on more than one s*it list.
Yes, it is unfortunate that the stallion was moved. I'm sure that Richland Hills did not go into the 2007 season expecting to move him for 2008. Obviously he wasn't as well received as they hoped. Maybe the farm isn't made of $$ and had to cut their losses so they could continue operating. Breeders take a risk every time they breed to any stallion - especially those in the 10K and under range. The contract was negotiated already. Re-negotiation is just poor form.
*edited - yes Madelyn he was at Richland Hills. Nathan Fox is the owner, so I just put those two together...
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Haradasun might have a future in Australia. He has Northern Dancer only 4X through Angel Fever, while so many stallions and mares down there are drenched with Northern Dancer.
What synthetics are to California racing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU
I was NOT suggesting that he/she abort a mare. I thought Andromeda's Hero was at Richland Hills.. or is that Fox Hill?
This is a very interesting industry. Some stud farms do not consider mare owners "clients" nor treat them as if they are. Since the relationship is somewhat adversarial from the start what does springboro have to lose by asking if any consideration will be made since the stallion was sent to the trash heap?
As a mare owner, I would be leery of that farm in the future, anyhow. Having been skinned once, I might be less willing to sign a binding, cash stud fee agreement, and run the risk of being skinned again. If they "refused" my mare because I asked about renegotiating after they did a "dirty" by shipping the stallion to Timbuctoo or New York, perhaps they don't want my business at all. At least with a foal share, even a farm with a very bad reputation for dumping stallions in the trash bin is at least "sharing" the risk. Do you think mare owners have s*it lists too?
In the industry I was formerly involved with, most companies were run like companies. Grudges were not held, people got beyond the adolescent, sophomoric s*it list and deals were done, renegotiated, sometimes fought about, but the parties usually kissed and made up and did business again in the future, both a little wiser. "Blackballing" was only done when a company had proven itself immoral to the point of illegal tactics, and they were proven to have cheated someone. "springboro" is the one getting cheated here, but I believe it is through inadvertence on the part of the stud farm as opposed to intent.
This is a very interesting industry. Some stud farms do not consider mare owners "clients" nor treat them as if they are. Since the relationship is somewhat adversarial from the start what does springboro have to lose by asking if any consideration will be made since the stallion was sent to the trash heap?
As a mare owner, I would be leery of that farm in the future, anyhow. Having been skinned once, I might be less willing to sign a binding, cash stud fee agreement, and run the risk of being skinned again. If they "refused" my mare because I asked about renegotiating after they did a "dirty" by shipping the stallion to Timbuctoo or New York, perhaps they don't want my business at all. At least with a foal share, even a farm with a very bad reputation for dumping stallions in the trash bin is at least "sharing" the risk. Do you think mare owners have s*it lists too?
In the industry I was formerly involved with, most companies were run like companies. Grudges were not held, people got beyond the adolescent, sophomoric s*it list and deals were done, renegotiated, sometimes fought about, but the parties usually kissed and made up and did business again in the future, both a little wiser. "Blackballing" was only done when a company had proven itself immoral to the point of illegal tactics, and they were proven to have cheated someone. "springboro" is the one getting cheated here, but I believe it is through inadvertence on the part of the stud farm as opposed to intent.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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springboro
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and I should state for the record that Nathan Fox has been a pleasure to work with. He moved Andromeda's Hero because of his poor reception in KY and I'm sure he'll be more successful in NY. I only hope that these foals are well received!
One of the mares will be going thru Keeneland Nov in-foal, so we'll see how the buying crowd feels.
One of the mares will be going thru Keeneland Nov in-foal, so we'll see how the buying crowd feels.
OK, Springboro... so educate me. What did you like about that stallion? What made you want to breed to him? I just don't see the attraction to Fu Peg or his sons, but I am admittedly rather biased toward one particular sire line, so I'm not always the most open-minded person when it comes to these things. But, I don't know much about Andromeda's Hero, and I'm always willing to learn. 
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"Don't be a boorish buffoon" -Hokies Respect 'Jerk Alert'
"Don't be a boorish buffoon" -Hokies Respect 'Jerk Alert'
I'm not a stallion manager and I don't play one on TV but somewhere along the line the mare owner must have thought that the stallion would compliment his mare.
If that's true, what does it matter where the stallion ends up? I know about the commercial issues but I think they are overblown. At the current Keeneland sale, a Volponi sold for $45,000, 3 Yankee Victors for $30,000 and 3 Salt Lakes for $150,000, $120,000, and $70,000. A Siphon sold for $65,000.
Isn't it more likely that any perceived issue leaving Kentucky has to do with why they left Kentucky (ie they were unpopular) then the fact that they left Kentucky itself?
If that's true, what does it matter where the stallion ends up? I know about the commercial issues but I think they are overblown. At the current Keeneland sale, a Volponi sold for $45,000, 3 Yankee Victors for $30,000 and 3 Salt Lakes for $150,000, $120,000, and $70,000. A Siphon sold for $65,000.
Isn't it more likely that any perceived issue leaving Kentucky has to do with why they left Kentucky (ie they were unpopular) then the fact that they left Kentucky itself?
Re: Fu Peg and sons
Roguelet wrote:I'm curious. I, personally, think Fu Peg is quite overrated, and pretty much everything I hear others say about him and his sons tends to support my opinion. However, I know that there are always two sides to the story, so I'm interested in hearing thoughts on Fu Peg and his sons as stallions from others here... anyone care to jump in? Positive or negative, or just thoughts in general?
I can only comment on FuPeg the RACE HORSE.
I was about 20 feet away from him as he raced down the Belmont stretch with El Corredor moving like a "freight train" coming up on his rear...KDMX gave him one swap of the whip right in front of my eyes...and FuPeg was GONE...two strides and he was 10 lengths away. His legs looked like "wheels".
Coolmore is responsible for the 6% figure...as y'all know...the chicken factory will breed one of their stallions to anyone with a mare and the $.
The poor "guy" is stranded in Australia...one of the factory's stallions that is always at stud. When bred to 200+ mares how could any expert here expect to see a FuPeg % higher than 6%?
Compare FuPeg with the carefully managed Maria's Mon as mentioned in a thread here. What do you experts believe would be the % factor for FuPeg if he stood at Pin Oak?
Coolmore seems to me to be the villian here...not Fusaichi Pegasus the KD winner.
TomFool wrote:reece, your memory must not be the best as FuPeg never beat anyone by 10 lengths. His derby win was his biggest romp that I remember. When he & El Corredor hooked up he was all out & won by only like a half a length.
I NEVER said "HE(FuPeg) beat anyone by 10 lengths". Check YOUR READING COMPREHENSION.
WHAT I said was "one flick of the whip and FuPeg was 10 lengths down the stretch"... with one fastest closer's hot on his heels...El Corredor..a tremendous race horse.
That was the 2000 Jerome at Belmont Park. FuPeg was at about 1/8 pole
and El Corredor had the momentum and was thundering down the stretch..DMX swatted FuPeg to get him "going" when he heard/saw El Corredor coming on very,very fast fast...
A great race. FuPeg " won under a vigorous hand ride by 3/4 of a length in a final time of 1:34.07 for the mile with El Corredor second "
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