Pedigree Query

Question.. how can Pleasant Tap be such a success at stud, and his half brother, Go For Gin, be.. well.. i don't want to call him a dud, but he's not his half brother that's for sure.

Is CORMORANT that much of a downside to his pedigree?

Even with all that, he sired Albert the great

I think someone got pissed off at someone just a thought.
Someone jumped out of The Plane.lol
Take Albert The Great,won 3 million an change I think.
An he has no full brothers or sisters.

Being brothers means as much in horses as it does in people. It can have some significance in mutual talents, or almost none.

Pleasant Tap is by what many consider a failed sire of sires, but Pleasant Colony was top class. Cormorant was a lot more "spotty" and more of a regional stallion, although one who was top notch.

Satish Sanan paid $4.4 Million for half brother Colonial Boy as a yearling and he won one race in his career....being a half or full sib sometimes means nothing.

Cormorant was a foundation to the NY Bred program in the 1970s-1980s, and that's where Go For Gin should have stood stud. I think his stud career was terribly mismanaged.

Rokeby Forever wrote:Satish Sanan paid $4.4 Million for half brother Colonial Boy as a yearling and he won one race in his career....being a half or full sib sometimes means nothing.

Cormorant was a foundation to the NY Bred program in the 1970s-1980s, and that's where Go For Gin should have stood stud. I think his stud career was terribly mismanaged.

apples and oranges.. we aren't debating on if the talent is there... go for gin won the kentucky derby for crying out loud.

both ovbiously had talent, yet one was a success and one was a flop at stud. that's head scratching.

Mismanaged says it all.

Ship him any where mite do more justice.

yukidragon wrote:Mismanaged says it all.

Ship him any where mite do more justice.

yeah..send his ass to NY.....i will come calling.

I wish he was out here also.
Maybe they should shuttle him East an West.
I have 3 maybe 4 mares that fit him.

I personally think they gave up on him too soon. Of course, when breeders stop calling to book their mares, stud farms start looking for more exciting prospects to fill their ads (I mean stalls). If you take away Pleasant Tap's offspring's Japanese earnings, his production record comes more in line with Go For Gin's.

A lot of people complain about all the inbreeding to Mr. Prospector, Northern Dancer, and Seattle Slew but Go For Gin is an outcross to all three.

merse wrote:I personally think they gave up on him too soon. Of course, when breeders stop calling to book their mares, stud farms start looking for more exciting prospects to fill their ads (I mean stalls). If you take away Pleasant Tap's offspring's Japanese earnings, his production record comes more in line with Go For Gin's.

A lot of people complain about all the inbreeding to Mr. Prospector, Northern Dancer, and Seattle Slew but Go For Gin is an outcross to all three.

again...please send him to NY

Well he's in MD, you could send your mare down and foal her up there. But if MD doesn't get slots soon, I imagine he'll either go to NY or PA. He'd be a welcome addition here too.

winds

Actually, Pleasant Tap and Go For Gin are 3/4 brothers, both being out of sons of His Majesty and out of the same mare.

Go For Gin would be very welcome in NY or PA.

Go for Gin wasn't mismanaged.

He just isn't a very good sire. There's not a lot more to it than that.

yukidragon,

Love your reaction! He is a very good regional sire, nothing to the KY hardboots.

Well, I'm not breeding for a fashion show, I'm breeding to produce a racehorse and I'm considering him for my mare. I'm just waiting on Pin Oak Lane to revamp it's stallion roster to make my final assesment.

winds