Pedigree Query

Ok, I'll ask on this side as well!!! Please any suggestions are welcome.

It's going to take time. There are other lucrative state bred breeding programs out there within the MidAtlantic. ( Of course NY racing is having it's problems, but once they get them straightened out, they have a lucrative breeding program that others have followed, and nice stallions).

Once people start realizing how much the purses are, more people will want to join. I do think the tracks need to cultivate the turf racing as much as possible during the spring, summer and fall. Nice racing plants for the fans and big gamblers to feel comfortable in is extremely important.

These are some ideas.

winds

Be patient---that big sucking sound you hear is the horse population exiting Maryland and Illinois and heading your way.....

winds wrote:There are other lucrative state bred breeding programs out there within the MidAtlantic. ( Of course NY racing is having it's problems, but once they get them straightened out, they have a lucrative breeding program that others have followed, and nice stallions).winds

Winds - NY was never able to keep a successful stallion from leaving the state. The NY Bred program was terrific (and still is despite NYRA's woes)...a NY Bred MSW is $56,000. How can you beat that with a $3,500 homebred?

I'm not sure how much longer Hook And Ladder will be staying in NY. Becky Thomas bumped him up to $10,000 next year, tying him with Freud as the highest priced stallion in the state. That's when other places start taking an interest in NY sires (Belong To Me, City Zip, Precise End...).

For breeders who don't breed to race...there is a need for really commercial stallions. Cheap stud fees are great but if you can't make any money on a PA sale yearling the mares will go to Kentucky to a commercial sire.

You can breed "PABRED" foals, foals that are eligible for the PABRED incentivessing any stallion in the country.

We have a mare that is in foal to Yankee gentleman that has been in PA since late September and that foal will be a PABRED as long as it sopends 90 days in PA after it drops.. We are planniong to take this mare to Domestic Dispute in MD after it foal and return the mare and foal to PA afer she is back in foal. That DD foal will also become a PABRED and a Delaware Certified horse plus it will be eligible for the Maryland Millians.

The only advantage in using PA stallions for PABREDs is the 20% vs 30% breeder's incentive

griff

So far, there's a reward for foaling a mare in Pennsylvania, but not for breeding to a stallion who stands there. So mare owners still opt for KY, FL, NY or MD stallions.

Two things could help:

(1) A PA sire series
(2) PA-restricted races

EXACTLY>>>>>>>>> You have hit the nail on the head! That is why we ar pushing for more PA Sired races to be written at our 3 tracks, Presque Isle wrote one every day of their short but sweet meet! And what of this idea, PA Sired races, not restricted to PA Breds?????!!!!HMMMMMmmmmm.

GRADED STAKE WINNING SIRES! COMMERCIAL QUALITY I know it will come in time but real Quiet is not returning to PA....a loss for pa. RQ has proven he can be a nice stallion.

Yeah I had heard Hook and Ladder would increase. maybe Freud will move to Pa? ok wishful thinking.

ten most wanted and read the footnotes didnt seem to coevr amny mares in NY last yr...I know I was one of the few who bred to them both. They would do well in Pa.

So, where is Real Quiet going anyway. I thought Winds was going to tell us, but I never saw the post if it was posted.

so if you breed to a out of state stallion in PA do you have to breed to a PA stallion the following year? I really havent looked into that yet! I have 2 mares foaling in PA was thinking about sending my third there instead of foaling in NY...if you dont have to breed back to a PA stallion that would be something that should be changed! and also anyone foaling a mare in PA one year and not returning her to a PA stallion shouldnt be able to bring another mare the following year or years untill the first mare that foaled there is substituted.. but thats something your breeders organization has to change..PA is out of the way for some, provide discounted shipping or make runs obtaining and returning mares. possibly provide substantial discounts for stud fees if the mares stay there or within the state to foal..

Aparantly everything is still up in the air about Real Quiet. No one seems to know what's going on. Unless someone is in the know and has kept quiet about it on the board....................

They're also supposed to be bringing in more new stallions to the farm, but I haven't heard yet. They stay quiet until the ink has dried I suppose.

winds

foxtale,

I went on to your website and clicked onto some of the links and nothing. I guess it's still in the building stages. I wanted some info and I think I PM'd you awhile back about either Request for Parole or Fastness and haven't heard back from you.

winds

I've looked into the program and it is interesting and I am considering it. But, to me, it boils down to the lack of stallions that are attractive enough to warrant the hassle of shipping mares in, boarding with a new farm, etc. Real Quiet was very attractive, but otherwise (and no offense to any of the perfectly nice stallions in PA - because there are a lot of them) the expense, hassle and uncertainty just make me think ehhh....

If I lived in PA - I'd be all over it.

Look at the Ontario model. Ontario sired races ( maiden starting at 60kand going up as the conditions do) and Ontario Sired Stakes (these are 125K) Now that is lucrative for the breeder/ owner. Some of these horses can't compete in a 5k claimer but make a nice living is the OS program. that is how I think the breeding survives here. Well just look at the stallions we have. Not that great. Except a few standouts.