Is Eltish relocating?
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Is Eltish relocating?
I noticed his page is no longer on Saratoga Glen Farm's website...
I would think a farm would use a teaser stallion for that...?
skeenan wrote:OK, stupid, stupid question... how does one accomplish—"PLEASE jump all maiden mares prior to coming to the breeding shed"—when I don't have access to a stallion?
Crystal wrote:Do you REALLY want a answer from the peanut gallery on this one???????
And yet, I'm going to try to answer . . .
We turn our maidens out with a teaser gelding who will actually mount the mare when she is receptive. It gets them used to being bumped around & the gelding goes through most of the same acts the stallion will, so when you've taken the mare to a strange place, with a strange animal behind her, she's not so surprised by what he's doing there & less likely to feel the need to defend herself.
BUT if you don't have an accommodating gelding, you may want to talk to your vet or other local TB breeders to find their solution [because any breeder who uses AI won't be able to help you.]
I think most commercial broodmare boarding facilities have one or more geldings or teaser stallions who can jump a mare, so the requirement assumes that's the environment most maidens will be in.
I'll just point out that it's not always easy to pose questions to a group who, generally speaking at times, can be quite hard on others for what they perceive are dumb questions or stupid comments.
I know what they meant, and the purpose for doing so... my question was more rhetorical than anything. But thanks, KBEquine, for answering.
I know what they meant, and the purpose for doing so... my question was more rhetorical than anything. But thanks, KBEquine, for answering.
It is a requirement for KY farms that stand stallions that maidens must have been jumped prior to presenting at the breeding shed.
To an extent, I think the feeling is that how the mare owner accomplishes that is not the stallion farm's problem, and they won't risk their stallion, nor their staff of handlers, with a mare who has not been jumped. It is one of the benefits, if you are just a small farm without the staff or horses to deal with maidens, of only acquiring mares who have had a foal or two.
To an extent, I think the feeling is that how the mare owner accomplishes that is not the stallion farm's problem, and they won't risk their stallion, nor their staff of handlers, with a mare who has not been jumped. It is one of the benefits, if you are just a small farm without the staff or horses to deal with maidens, of only acquiring mares who have had a foal or two.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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I certainly know that maiden mares are prepared by a teaser first, not the breeding stallion. But this is the first that I've read or heard anywhere that it's the mare owner's responsibility to procure a teaser to have their own mare jumped, before the mare goes to the farm. Kinda important tidbit of information to know about, don't y'all think?? Not as simple as buying Hi-Ho Silver the blow-up stallion from State Line...
If this is a well-known requirement (which I'm guessing it is, based on earlier response) then why is the information so difficult to find? I would think it'd be one of the first things a maiden mare owner would want to be aware of. I did a specific online search and I can't find anything. It isn't in the TOBA handbook. It certainly isn't posted openly on any TB farm website I've looked at in three years. Had I not downloaded the form out of curiosity, I never would have known. Glad I didn't find out a month before wanting to breed her.
That's the super frustrating part... three years and I'm still tripping on things I need to know by chance. Only took me a month or two to learn KWPN breeding requirements & stallions and the breeding requirements of other WB registries. It's all right there. So I know it's not my ability to do research.
Why wouldn't farms simply charge extra to prepare a maiden mare with one of their teasers?
This whole process has been nothing short of aggravating & discouraging at times... and now I have one more obstacle to getting her bred this spring. Unreal.
If this is a well-known requirement (which I'm guessing it is, based on earlier response) then why is the information so difficult to find? I would think it'd be one of the first things a maiden mare owner would want to be aware of. I did a specific online search and I can't find anything. It isn't in the TOBA handbook. It certainly isn't posted openly on any TB farm website I've looked at in three years. Had I not downloaded the form out of curiosity, I never would have known. Glad I didn't find out a month before wanting to breed her.
That's the super frustrating part... three years and I'm still tripping on things I need to know by chance. Only took me a month or two to learn KWPN breeding requirements & stallions and the breeding requirements of other WB registries. It's all right there. So I know it's not my ability to do research.
Why wouldn't farms simply charge extra to prepare a maiden mare with one of their teasers?
This whole process has been nothing short of aggravating & discouraging at times... and now I have one more obstacle to getting her bred this spring. Unreal.
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First off...there are many boarding farms who hoave teaser stallions. Yes you are going to have to invest in a little day rate in order to get your requirements met. While breeding in NY the past several years...every contract to every stallion we ever bred a mare to..."ALL MAIDEN MARES must be jumped prior to entering the breeding shed for cover."
Buck Ridge has a wonderful stallion they use as does Fort Christopher's in Fort Ann.
I'm sure you arent the only person in the breeding world without access to a teaser. Why dont you call one of the boarding farms and ask them what they would suggest. Farms like Mc Mahons who not only stand stallions but als board, Im sure they have a teaser.
second...no it is not unreasonable for these stallion farms to make this a requirement. They need to help ensure they staff and their stallion are protected as best as they can be. Your one mare only needs one well placed kick to bring their breeding season to a halt with either a hurt stalllion or hurt staff. I used to manage a farm which stood 9 stallions. It was always a requirement. With 9 stallions and HUNDERDS of breeding clients a year we had little time to concern ourselves with teasing a non prepared mare. We would however advise the mare owner contact one of the farms near us to arrange getting the maidens jumped prior to shipping to be bred. This worked out pretty well.
This is not a requirement just to make you jump through hoops but is to help better prepare your mare as well as help ensure the safetyy of all who are in the breeding shed. INCLUDING your mare.
Buck Ridge has a wonderful stallion they use as does Fort Christopher's in Fort Ann.
I'm sure you arent the only person in the breeding world without access to a teaser. Why dont you call one of the boarding farms and ask them what they would suggest. Farms like Mc Mahons who not only stand stallions but als board, Im sure they have a teaser.
second...no it is not unreasonable for these stallion farms to make this a requirement. They need to help ensure they staff and their stallion are protected as best as they can be. Your one mare only needs one well placed kick to bring their breeding season to a halt with either a hurt stalllion or hurt staff. I used to manage a farm which stood 9 stallions. It was always a requirement. With 9 stallions and HUNDERDS of breeding clients a year we had little time to concern ourselves with teasing a non prepared mare. We would however advise the mare owner contact one of the farms near us to arrange getting the maidens jumped prior to shipping to be bred. This worked out pretty well.
This is not a requirement just to make you jump through hoops but is to help better prepare your mare as well as help ensure the safetyy of all who are in the breeding shed. INCLUDING your mare.
Fins to the Left....