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http://www.washingtonthoroughbred.com/m ... ByFarm.htm
Good deals? Not-so-good deals? Some new additions.
How do you justify the $2k stud fee on Private Gold? He didn't have a horse sell for more than $6k at either auction. I hear that Tribunal is in dire straits at the equine hospital. He's Tops is a hit-or-miss stallion, don't know if he's worth $3k. What about Demon Warlock at $1k and free if you've got a stakes mare?
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This register doesn't seem complete to me. There are a couple of horses at Painted Desert in Oregon that interest me, one is Sanctuary(Halo), a registered black who is getting a few winners, another is Count Me In (A.P. Indy out of a stakes winning mare, 3x3 to Weekend Surprise) a sabino. Apparently Baffert trained Count Me In and thought highly of him, so sounds like he was injured early like so many A.P. Indys that ought to be left to mature before they race - however that's supposition on my part but the horse certainly appeals to me.
Thanks, Magic Code for the info on Tribunal, I'm not sold on him as a sire, but I certainly wouldn't wish him illness and pain, and I hope his suffering is not for long.
In this week's print edition of the Bloodhorse there was an article about the long time WTOBA president (or whatever his title is) and the fact that he is retiring. The article was very upbeat about his accomplishments and about the state of Thoroughbred interests in WA. However, despite the exceptional contribution the man has made, and I emphasize that I would not be so petty as to criticize a man who has dedicated his whole life to racing in WA, I think that WA cannot rest on its perceived laurels.
Not one single WA stable advertised in this section for example. Perhaps too expensive for small breeders? But there are a couple of farms for whom it might have been worthwhile. I looked at the sire list, and the one thing that struck me was the poor quality of the mares that WA sires get. Hardly any of the sires are getting mares with a CI of over 1.0, and whenever I see one that is, it turns out to be dead. We need to attract good mares into the region to breed to our top sires. Also, the fairly expensive process of getting horses into Sales in WA has been discussed elsewhere and I believe this has to be rectified also.
I was also disappointed to hear of the 'laughing stock' sale that was recently held. I don't believe a responsible thoroughbred association should be allowing horses to sell for less than meat price. ITOBA, I believe, as one example, has measures to prevent this.
Once upon a time we had more thoroughbred racing in this state, and it is only a few years since Playfair here in Spokane was closed. Although someone tried unsuccessfully to reopen it, I sure didn't see anything that appeared to be a concerted effort on the part of all racing interests to get it back open again. So now, I'm not aware of any racing thoroughbred breeding operations in this part of the state (there are stallions at stud such as Wings of Wyoming in Post Falls Idaho, but standing for the sporthorse market).
Thoroughbreds here now fall into the sporthorse and polo pony categories (unless there's something else going on that nobody is advertising - in which case I apologize for the omission). That makes me wonder what this person from Mead wanted with all those $100 broodmares that he bought at the recent sale.
So in fact I'd say that WTBA is actually Western WTBA. Not much for us in the Inland Empire, we're just supposed to love Emerald Downs and travel there at the most inconvenient times (day after labor day) and in the worst weather (early December) for sales.
I'm trying to be constructive, not negative. But surely no-one can believe that the situation is perfect here, and that improvements cannot be made.
I found an old training track yesterday. It had a three stall practice starting gate. It has a sandy footing and there are weeds growing out of it, but it's not completely overgrown (it is covered with snow so it's hard to tell how long ago it might have been in use). My students had seen it on an air photo we were working on and had wondered what it was, so although I was pretty sure I went to check it out. There's a big barn with a lot of horse trailers near it so horses are still there, but I don't think the track is in current use, and it might have been a quarter horse training track in any case. I could have cried, because I love to see horses race, but in the six years I've been here I've never managed to have the time to get to Emerald Downs to see live racing. Even to see horses train on this old track, whatever it was for, would have been something special.
Oh well, that's my WA racing lament.
Thanks, Magic Code for the info on Tribunal, I'm not sold on him as a sire, but I certainly wouldn't wish him illness and pain, and I hope his suffering is not for long.
In this week's print edition of the Bloodhorse there was an article about the long time WTOBA president (or whatever his title is) and the fact that he is retiring. The article was very upbeat about his accomplishments and about the state of Thoroughbred interests in WA. However, despite the exceptional contribution the man has made, and I emphasize that I would not be so petty as to criticize a man who has dedicated his whole life to racing in WA, I think that WA cannot rest on its perceived laurels.
Not one single WA stable advertised in this section for example. Perhaps too expensive for small breeders? But there are a couple of farms for whom it might have been worthwhile. I looked at the sire list, and the one thing that struck me was the poor quality of the mares that WA sires get. Hardly any of the sires are getting mares with a CI of over 1.0, and whenever I see one that is, it turns out to be dead. We need to attract good mares into the region to breed to our top sires. Also, the fairly expensive process of getting horses into Sales in WA has been discussed elsewhere and I believe this has to be rectified also.
I was also disappointed to hear of the 'laughing stock' sale that was recently held. I don't believe a responsible thoroughbred association should be allowing horses to sell for less than meat price. ITOBA, I believe, as one example, has measures to prevent this.
Once upon a time we had more thoroughbred racing in this state, and it is only a few years since Playfair here in Spokane was closed. Although someone tried unsuccessfully to reopen it, I sure didn't see anything that appeared to be a concerted effort on the part of all racing interests to get it back open again. So now, I'm not aware of any racing thoroughbred breeding operations in this part of the state (there are stallions at stud such as Wings of Wyoming in Post Falls Idaho, but standing for the sporthorse market).
Thoroughbreds here now fall into the sporthorse and polo pony categories (unless there's something else going on that nobody is advertising - in which case I apologize for the omission). That makes me wonder what this person from Mead wanted with all those $100 broodmares that he bought at the recent sale.
So in fact I'd say that WTBA is actually Western WTBA. Not much for us in the Inland Empire, we're just supposed to love Emerald Downs and travel there at the most inconvenient times (day after labor day) and in the worst weather (early December) for sales.
I'm trying to be constructive, not negative. But surely no-one can believe that the situation is perfect here, and that improvements cannot be made.
I found an old training track yesterday. It had a three stall practice starting gate. It has a sandy footing and there are weeds growing out of it, but it's not completely overgrown (it is covered with snow so it's hard to tell how long ago it might have been in use). My students had seen it on an air photo we were working on and had wondered what it was, so although I was pretty sure I went to check it out. There's a big barn with a lot of horse trailers near it so horses are still there, but I don't think the track is in current use, and it might have been a quarter horse training track in any case. I could have cried, because I love to see horses race, but in the six years I've been here I've never managed to have the time to get to Emerald Downs to see live racing. Even to see horses train on this old track, whatever it was for, would have been something special.
Oh well, that's my WA racing lament.
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Geowarrior, the RNAs etc are showing up from the WADEC07 sale now
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-62137
I don't know who these folks are, but they have a long list of similarly lowball priced horses listed now.
This one is the only picture - sheesh, you'd a thought they would scrape off the mud and the hip number for the picture...
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-62137
I don't know who these folks are, but they have a long list of similarly lowball priced horses listed now.
This one is the only picture - sheesh, you'd a thought they would scrape off the mud and the hip number for the picture...
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I would assume it's Allaire Farms, as if you read the ads, all the broodmare sales offer discounted breedbacks to Polish Miner, Matricule (who totally leaves me cold), Demon Warlock (unproven but with unpromising female family), and Trail City. At the very least these people must have a connection with Allaire Farms.
I suppose the best we can say is that at least these ones are not in Yakima, and the possibility is still there that they may find good homes.
I suppose the best we can say is that at least these ones are not in Yakima, and the possibility is still there that they may find good homes.
EVERY single Tribunal I have worked with has been a nut. I don't know if it's the farm they come from, or the sire. I've worked with quite a few, and they have just terrible minds.
They have all been built like Quarter Horses, big engine, short cannons and pasterns. Quick, but not too sure about numbers (if they win! etc.).
They have all been built like Quarter Horses, big engine, short cannons and pasterns. Quick, but not too sure about numbers (if they win! etc.).
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Thank you geowarrier for the kind comments about the Painted Desert Farm stallions. My stallions are pictured in the Washington Stallion Register however are not in the stat pages.
These stallions were purchased after my loss of Rob 'N Gin and the spectacular Prince Stanley. Their stud fee is a reasonable $1,000 and I offer good care with quality and reasonably priced repro services.
Count Me In, by A.P. Indy, is out of champion Countess Diana, winner of the Breeder's Cup Juvenille Fillies. He did take a misstep his first out resulting in a bow. He is bred to daughters of Storm Cat, Secretariat, Meadowlake, Sky Classic etc. "Count" does have considerable white markings including a white belly patch. Hopefully racing will continue in Oregon and I can enjoy racing Oregon breds at home.
Sanctuary (Halo x My Room, multiple graded stakes producer by Bold Lad), interestingly is homozygous for the black gene. His Oregon foals look good and should race well on the West coast.
Panoramic, also black, is by Theatrical out of Mint Leaf by Capote and was purchased as a yearling for $900,000 by The Thoroughbred Corporation. His oldest foals are yearlings. Big and fine looking individules.
Many of my foals are double registered as Thoroughbreds and Paints therefore many are sold into the profitable show world and will not race... however my little friends usually enjoy a long and grand life so I am pleased.
I would think Duane Belvoir, recently selected as the WTOBA president, will be good for Washington and Northwest racing in general. He is thoughtful, motivated, educated and has talented and very successful horsemen in his immediate family.
Do you have current info on the development of the horse community/race track proposed for Rathdrum, Idaho?
Thanks.
These stallions were purchased after my loss of Rob 'N Gin and the spectacular Prince Stanley. Their stud fee is a reasonable $1,000 and I offer good care with quality and reasonably priced repro services.
Count Me In, by A.P. Indy, is out of champion Countess Diana, winner of the Breeder's Cup Juvenille Fillies. He did take a misstep his first out resulting in a bow. He is bred to daughters of Storm Cat, Secretariat, Meadowlake, Sky Classic etc. "Count" does have considerable white markings including a white belly patch. Hopefully racing will continue in Oregon and I can enjoy racing Oregon breds at home.
Sanctuary (Halo x My Room, multiple graded stakes producer by Bold Lad), interestingly is homozygous for the black gene. His Oregon foals look good and should race well on the West coast.
Panoramic, also black, is by Theatrical out of Mint Leaf by Capote and was purchased as a yearling for $900,000 by The Thoroughbred Corporation. His oldest foals are yearlings. Big and fine looking individules.
Many of my foals are double registered as Thoroughbreds and Paints therefore many are sold into the profitable show world and will not race... however my little friends usually enjoy a long and grand life so I am pleased.
I would think Duane Belvoir, recently selected as the WTOBA president, will be good for Washington and Northwest racing in general. He is thoughtful, motivated, educated and has talented and very successful horsemen in his immediate family.
Do you have current info on the development of the horse community/race track proposed for Rathdrum, Idaho?
Thanks.
PAINTED DESERT FARM STALLIONS: PAINTING FREEDOM (JC AND APHA), COUNT ME IN (JC AND APHA), MATRICULE , BLACK HOMOZYGOUS
"COLORED THOROUGHBREDS GENTLY RAISED WITH A LIFETIME OF GOOD HEALTH IN MIND"
"COLORED THOROUGHBREDS GENTLY RAISED WITH A LIFETIME OF GOOD HEALTH IN MIND"
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I had not heard a thing about a possible racetrack for Rathdrum, Idaho, but my goodness I'd be cheering like crazy if it happened. I'll check into it once I've finished grading exams and let you know.
btw I was saying that Count Me In is 3x3 to Weekend Surprise but I'm pretty sure I meant 3x3 to Lassie Dear.
btw I was saying that Count Me In is 3x3 to Weekend Surprise but I'm pretty sure I meant 3x3 to Lassie Dear.
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Plans for the Idaho track - http://www.greensferry.biz/SitePlan.asp
Race Track - The race track will contain two racing surfaces, a 7 furlong dirt course and a 6 furlong turf course plus stabling for 700+ horses. Race meets will be held in the summer to provide better weather for horses, horsemen and spectators.
The race track is scheduled to begin construction in 2009 and begin racing in 2010.