City Place....WOW!!

[Derby2004]

This guy has 6 2yos sell this year and the cheapest was a 130k. And you know they cant be that great bred from a 5k stud fee. Put him down as my sleeper this year. Unraced, but from a G1 mare and by Storm Cat

[Kelly Kip]

Huh? The City Place-Premier Promise colt at OBS only sold for $20,000.

But, he was a smallish colt.

[AscotStud]

There's a big difference between working an 1/8th in stupid times and winning a race. Unraced Storm Cat would be enough for me, to jump ship.

[Ill-bred]

The Ocala crowd likes him a whole lot (although they could be tied into the horse financially.)

[Derby2004]

I spoke with Hartley and they said that they do own him outright and that his foals always tend to be good size. He also said that his trainer said he was a very fast two year old but cracked a sesmoid before starting. I just really like the inbreeding to In Reality. If he does hit it off they will be early. This year is feast or famine for him

[Derby2004]

I spoke with Hartley and they said that they do own him outright and that his foals always tend to be good size. He also said that his trainer said he was a very fast two year old but cracked a sesmoid before starting. I just really like the inbreeding to In Reality. If he does hit it off they will be early. This year is feast or famine for him

[Fireslam]

The oddest thing about this horse is that he had 30 published works, and yet never ran.

Works for CITY PLACE, 2000:
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2004--Apr12 PMM 6f ft 1:13.0 B 1/2
Apr06 PMM *5f ft :59.0 H 1/5
Mar29 PMM *5f ft :58.4 H 1/14
Mar21 PMM *5f ft :58.4 H 1/30
Mar14 PMM *5f ft :59.1 H 1/33
Feb04 PMM 3f ft :39.0 B 9/10
Jan20 PMM 3f ft :37.1 B 9/13
2003--Dec13 BEL tr.t 5f ft 1:03.2 B 13/30
Dec04 BEL tr.t 5f ft 1:03.3 B 10/15
Nov24 BEL tr.t 4f ft :50.0 B 25/46
Nov17 BEL tr.t 4f ft :50.1 B 39/58
Nov09 BEL tr.t 4f ft :50.2 B 72/92
Nov02 BEL tr.t 4f ft :49.1 B 10/33
Oct24 BEL tr.t 4f ft :51.2 B 35/37
Oct11 BEL tr.t 3f ft :36.2 B 2/12
Sep17 BEL tr.t 3f ft :37.3 B 9/13
Aug03 LRL 3f ft :37.0 B 2/5
Jul25 LRL 4f ft :48.0 H 2/32
Jul18 LRL 4f ft :48.3 Hg 6/33
Jul05 LRL 4f ft :49.3 B 5/16
Jun20 LRL 4f gd :48.0 Bg 4/43
Jun12 LRL 4f gd :47.2 H 2/14
Jun05 LRL *4f sy :47.3 H 1/12
May29 LRL *3f ft :36.1 Bg 1/7
May22 LRL 4f gd :48.2 H 4/28
May13 LRL 4f ft :51.4 B 27/27
2002--Oct02 SAR tr.t 3f ft :38.1 B 3/12
Sep27 SAR tr.t 3f gd :39.0 B 2/7
Aug28 BEL 3f ft :40.0 Bg 17/17
Aug20 BEL tr.t 3f my :39.4 B 10/12

[vineyridge]

To my eye, he's got really scary looking pasterns.

[AscotStud]

how many other horses have excessive work patterns like he did. Bottom line is how many didn't run, and others under his program did.

[pokeyman]

The oddest thing about this horse is that he had 30 published works, and yet never ran.

Works for CITY PLACE, 2000:
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2004--Apr12 PMM 6f ft 1:13.0 B 1/2
Apr06 PMM *5f ft :59.0 H 1/5
Mar29 PMM *5f ft :58.4 H 1/14
Mar21 PMM *5f ft :58.4 H 1/30
Mar14 PMM *5f ft :59.1 H 1/33
Feb04 PMM 3f ft :39.0 B 9/10
Jan20 PMM 3f ft :37.1 B 9/13
2003--Dec13 BEL tr.t 5f ft 1:03.2 B 13/30
Dec04 BEL tr.t 5f ft 1:03.3 B 10/15
Nov24 BEL tr.t 4f ft :50.0 B 25/46
Nov17 BEL tr.t 4f ft :50.1 B 39/58
Nov09 BEL tr.t 4f ft :50.2 B 72/92
Nov02 BEL tr.t 4f ft :49.1 B 10/33
Oct24 BEL tr.t 4f ft :51.2 B 35/37
Oct11 BEL tr.t 3f ft :36.2 B 2/12
Sep17 BEL tr.t 3f ft :37.3 B 9/13
Aug03 LRL 3f ft :37.0 B 2/5
Jul25 LRL 4f ft :48.0 H 2/32
Jul18 LRL 4f ft :48.3 Hg 6/33
Jul05 LRL 4f ft :49.3 B 5/16
Jun20 LRL 4f gd :48.0 Bg 4/43
Jun12 LRL 4f gd :47.2 H 2/14
Jun05 LRL *4f sy :47.3 H 1/12
May29 LRL *3f ft :36.1 Bg 1/7
May22 LRL 4f gd :48.2 H 4/28
May13 LRL 4f ft :51.4 B 27/27
2002--Oct02 SAR tr.t 3f ft :38.1 B 3/12
Sep27 SAR tr.t 3f gd :39.0 B 2/7
Aug28 BEL 3f ft :40.0 Bg 17/17
Aug20 BEL tr.t 3f my :39.4 B 10/12

Yikes! Holy cow...I have never seen anything like this. Very strange.

[xfactor fan]

vinyridge, what do you see about his pasterns that are so scary? Not to disagree, just want to see if we're looking at the same things.

Thanks

[DDT]

This horse is very similar to Tiger Ridge, a non-winning son of Storm Cat that had some success at Hartley/De Renzo in Florida before being sold to South Africa, of course Tiger Ridge is out of Weekend Surprise and City Place is an unraced son of Storm Cat out of Glitter Woman. The difference in female families is large, but City Place has Political Force, Unbridled Elaine, Etched and Capejinsky in his family tree, so they must think he can do something. Time will tell.

DDT

[vineyridge]

vinyridge, what do you see about his pasterns that are so scary? Not to disagree, just want to see if we're looking at the same things.

Thanks

Front pasterns are long, thin and upright. Very thin for his bulk. It also looks as if he'd bowed both tendons on the front, although he could just be badly tied in behind the knee. But to my eye, they looked bowed.

[soundfast]

I like In Reality but 4x4 on dams side only is not enough for me to like City Place alot. It seems like every son of Storm Cat gets put to stud and almost everybody who breeds to him winds up with a foal who does not win anything close to his stud fee and they really hate being out huge amounts of money plus all their expenses and they want to try to get it back by standing the horse at stud or breeding a daughter. I never judge a stallion his stud fee. A stallion could get a millionaire with a $5,000 stud fee or even a $1,000 stud fee. I already know what you can get for a $500K stud fee and City Place is just one of them. There are a lot more foals that never made any money or very little that were sired by Storm Cat and most of his sons are not successful sires and a lot of times their offspring are unsound just like him and sometimes worse.Storm Cat's average lifetime starts per runner are 11 and his highest priced sons Giants Causeway and Forestry average 8 and 9 respectively. It is a shame that Glitter Woman's foals to race are all by stallions that sire low soundness offspring. Unbridled's Song has an average of 11 and Pulpit also. Seeking The Gold has 12. His owners have supported him with their own mares and some might be runners but they might not last long.

[xfactor fan]

I actually thought the hind legs were worse with what appeared to be swelling in the left, and a delicate looking pastern in the right.

Now, just to be fair, we're booth looking at a side view, and it is possible that he's got pasterns that are more oval than most, and we're seeing the skinny side view.