war chant gets tomahawk chopped
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:05 am
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:55 pm
Maybe, but it also could be that Chilean breeders might want to see how he works (pedigree wise) with their mares.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:53 pm
Probably just a chance to generate extra income for now, since I think this is a seasonal lease rather than a purchase. If his first Chilean crop comes up gangbusters, that could change, especially if he continues to have modest results in the U.S.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:23 pm
Fusaiachi Pegasus is going to Chille too. I thought the Aussies loved him?
Anyway I think its a sign of a fade away for both.
Anyway I think its a sign of a fade away for both.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:57 pm
Mahubah wrote:Probably just a chance to generate extra income for now, since I think this is a seasonal lease rather than a purchase. If his first Chilean crop comes up gangbusters, that could change, especially if he continues to have modest results in the U.S.
I would agree...and FuPeg is shuttling there too...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:17 am
here is a question.
when they do go there, how much are their stud fees?
when they do go there, how much are their stud fees?
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:09 am
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:32 am
The occasional deals I've been privy to for South American shuttle deals have been for a fixed price for the season rather than a "stud fee." Everything is very different there -- the currency, cost of doing business, plus the farms are scattered over the country as opposed to being clustered in a few areas. So a South American farm might buy the whole summer -- say for $125K or something. They get to cover their mares. They can sell seasons as they wish to other farms who might want to breed to the horse. Sometimes there is a "cap" on the number of covers the stallion is allowed to perform.
Besides giving the horse a chance to maybe get something going in another hemisphere, it gets him off his farm's feed bill for half of the year.
Besides giving the horse a chance to maybe get something going in another hemisphere, it gets him off his farm's feed bill for half of the year.
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:04 pm
madelyn wrote:The occasional deals I've been privy to for South American shuttle deals have been for a fixed price for the season rather than a "stud fee." Everything is very different there -- the currency, cost of doing business, plus the farms are scattered over the country as opposed to being clustered in a few areas. So a South American farm might buy the whole summer -- say for $125K or something. They get to cover their mares. They can sell seasons as they wish to other farms who might want to breed to the horse. Sometimes there is a "cap" on the number of covers the stallion is allowed to perform.
Besides giving the horse a chance to maybe get something going in another hemisphere, it gets him off his farm's feed bill for half of the year.
so what i am getting at is..let's say I like war chant (for some odd reason). and let's say I wanted to try a south american bred filly with him.. it would be cheaper to buy one down there, bred them down there and keep her down there until they foal than it would be to wait until he gets back?
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:22 pm
Probably not, especially if you were planning on running the foal in NA.
The foal would be at a disadvantage because of the age restriction and difference in breeding season down there. So you would lose time and racing options with the foal.
It's also been my experience that good South American fillies who were stakes quality (often group) runners in their homeland often find themselves in for a tag Stateside.
They're usually undervalued here but still bring a premium down in South America, especially with the current state of the dollar.
There's a few stallions in a South America that intrigue me, but I've never seen any indication that it would ever be cost effective to try to breed to one, whether it be on N.A time or not.
The foal would be at a disadvantage because of the age restriction and difference in breeding season down there. So you would lose time and racing options with the foal.
It's also been my experience that good South American fillies who were stakes quality (often group) runners in their homeland often find themselves in for a tag Stateside.
They're usually undervalued here but still bring a premium down in South America, especially with the current state of the dollar.
There's a few stallions in a South America that intrigue me, but I've never seen any indication that it would ever be cost effective to try to breed to one, whether it be on N.A time or not.
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:44 am
War Chant is probably not as bad as you think. In the past couple of weeks he's had two significant stakes winners, one in NY and one in CA. You just need to be patient with his offspring.
Not saying he's worth 20k...but he's not all that bad either. I'll take him over Exchange Rate any day.
Not saying he's worth 20k...but he's not all that bad either. I'll take him over Exchange Rate any day.
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:21 pm
oliverstoned wrote:Fusaiachi Pegasus is going to Chille too. I thought the Aussies loved him?
Ummmm....no, we didn't love him. However Coolmore kept telling us that we did.
He is being replaced by his number one son Haradasun who spent half his racing career running sideways under pressure. It will be interesting to see what Aidan O'Brien can do with him in the short space of time he now has to turn the horse into a dual hemishere commodity.
Oh, Coolmore also think that Haradsun is the perfect stallion for all our Danehill line mares.
