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CHESTER HOUSE and EMPIRE MAKER
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:13 am
by Patuxet
I notice that deceased sire Chester House's numbers have continued to improve. His current world-wide earnings place him 12th on the General Sire List with average earnings per runner of $77,616 and an impressive 13.9 % stakes winners from starters -- exceeded only by Storm Cat's 17.3 % and AP Indy's 16.7 %. Obviously his get have improved as they've matured -- perhaps worth remembering before giving up too soon on the offspring of his 5/8 brother-in-blood, Empire Maker.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:19 am
by LB
I didn't know anyone had given up on Empire Maker.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:06 am
by gotpaints
Aren't EM's foals just 3 this year? How can someone give up on him after one crop?
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:46 pm
by Patuxet
Of course I never meant to imply that Empire Maker has already been found wanting as a sire.
I'm simply pointing out that if his offspring don't prove themselves right off the bat as two and three year olds -- which unfortunately is what impatient American racing seems to demand -- just give them some more time and they may very well prove themselves down the road as the Chester Houses have.
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:39 pm
by griff
If Empire Maker is a 5/8 brother to Chester House what is Civilisation's relationship to Chester House??
griff
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:24 am
by griff
I just looked at the generial Sire list on The Bloodhorse and that list has him # 9.
It also said his 99 starters have won $4,298,538 which I believe is $43,400 per starter. And 14 stakes winners out of 99 starters yields 14.1% stakes winners from starters
What am I missing here?/
griff
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:21 am
by Patuxet
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:10 pm
by griff
I must be missing something here:
The Thoroughbred Times does indeed list Chester House's avearge earnings per starter as $77,616; HOWEVER it also lists Chester House with 95 starters and $4,159,693 in earnings>
$4,159,693 divided by 95 yields an average of $43,787 per starter not $77,616 per starter.
Maybe TB racing uses some other method of calculation average earnings per starter other than dividing total earnings by total starters.
griff
Earnings
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:26 pm
by hpkingjr
Griff:
The way I read the chart, the 70+K is lifetime earnings per starter and the 43K is for this year.
12 Chester House, 95, by Mr. Prospector Dead 95/52 14/18 Ventura (566,997) 4,159,693 3 72 13.9% 77,616
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:51 pm
by Patuxet
griff:
Civilisation is a 3/4 brother-in-blood to Chester House.
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:41 pm
by griff
hpking
The lifetime vs one year average per starter would explain the differience. Thanks for the insiget
griff
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:45 am
by Patuxet
The Chester Houses keep on winning. Yesterday 4YO Phoenix Tower ran 2nd to the European hero horse, Duke of Marmelade, in the 10fT Juddmonte International (Eng-G1). 6YO Spring House won the 11fT Del Mar H. (G2). And for good measure 5YO Remain Silent won the $100,000 Mr. Jenny H. at only 5fT at Philadelphia Park.
His fillies may well turn out to be valuable broodmares.
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:56 pm
by griff
Are all his winners older horses?
griff
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:30 pm
by Heidilady
griff wrote:Are all his winners older horses?
griff
Nowadays they are. He had his last crop in 2004. Dunno how many were early winners back in the day--Divine Park won the Withers at 3 so that's the only high profile one under 4 I can recall. His numbers keep improving and the only ones to do that left are 4+ years.