Pedigree Query

What I really want to know is if there is a particular race that seems to bless its winners with great sire potential.
I have noticed most KY Derby winners DON'T Make great sires.

Metropolitan H. at Belmont.

The Met Mile...the sire's race!

Ok so I am bored (overtired and really should goto bed - damn facebook) and decided to check...

Using http://www.bloodhorse.com/NOW/Breeding/SireLists/ it appears of the top ten the results are

Philip Islen, Salvatore Mile (Smart Strike, Distorted Humor)
Breeders Cup Classic (Tiznow and AP Indy - winners, Giant's Causeway runner up)

Only one - Langfuhr had run the Met Handicap.

Now this is nowhere near scientific and like I said I need to goto bed...

Hi Toccet,

A year or so ago I saw a comparison of Belmont and Met Mile winners in the shed and Belmont winners were, overall, the more successful sires (statistically).

I use the American Racing Manual history of graded stakes races, it can be enlightening.

Regards,

Pete

Alfred G. Vanderbilt H. winners
Speightstown
Orientate
Five Star Day
Succesful Appeal
Intidab
Boundary

Blue Grass S. winners
Peace Rules
Harlan's Holiday
High Yield
Menifee
Pulpit
Holy Bull
Summer Squall
Chief's Crown
Alydar



Breeder's Cup Classic winners
Tiznow
Wild Again
A.P. Indy
Unbridled
Sunday Silence

Carter H.
Congaree
Langfhur
Rubiano
Gulch
Mt. Livermore
Star De Naskra

Churchill Downs H.
Distorted Humor
Pleasant Tap
It's Freezing
Speightstown

Cigar Mile H.
Congaree
El Corredor
Gold Fever
Rubiano
Quiet American
Forty Niner

Commenwealth Breeder's Cup S.
Distorted Humor
Orientate
Smooth Jazz
Pleasant Tap
Black Tie Affair
Good and Tough

Del Mar Breeder's Cup H.
Congaree
El Corredor
Old Trieste
Benchmark
Alphabet Soup

Discovery H.
Cox's Ridge
Fappiano
Dynaformer
Gold Fever

Donn H.
Deputy Minister
Jade Hunter
Cryptoclearance
Jolie's Halo
Medaglia D'Oro
Harlan's Holiday

Dwyer S.
Cherokee Run
Seeking The Gold
Holy Bull
Gone West
Valid Appeal
Stop The Music
Hatchet Man
Forestry
Ogygian
Bailjumper
Conquistador Cielo

Florida Derby
Harlan's Holiday
Empire Maker
Unbridled's Song
Unbridled
Thunder Gulch
Holy Bull
Cryptoclearance
Lord Avie
Cape Town

Forego H.
Orientate
Delaware Township
Langfhur
Rubiano
Fappiano
Housebuster

Hopeful S.
Gulch
Chief's Crown
City Zip
Smoke Glacken
Dehere
Salt Lake
Summer Squall
Copelan
Affirmed
Hennessy
Came Home
High Yield

Jockey Club Gold Cup
Mineshaft
Skip Away
Pleasant Tap
Easy Goer
Waquoit
Vanlandingham
Affirmed

King's Bishop S.
Forestry
More Than Ready
Tale Of The Cat
Honour and Glory
Salt Lake
Housebuster

Metropolitan H.
Langfhur
Honour and Glory
Holy Bull
Gulch
Conquistador Cielo
Fappiano
Cox's Ridge

Riva Ridge Breeder's Cup H.
Yes It's True
Posse
Trippi
Smoke Glacken
Montbrook
Is It True
Put It Back
Gold Fever
Ogygian

San Felipe H.
Medaglia D'Oro
Point Given
Fusaichi Pegasus
Sunday Silence
Affirmed

Santa Anita Derby
A.P. Indy
Came Home
Point Given
Indian Charlie
Sunday Silence
Affirmed

Santa Anita H.
Cougar II
Vigors
Affirmed
Lord At War
Siphon
Tiznow
Broad Brush

Sapling S.
Yes It's True
Smoke Glacken
Hennessy
Gilded Time
Carson City
Alydar
Tejano
Full Out

Suburban H.
Mineshaft
Lemon Drop Kid
Skip Away
Devil His Due
In Excess
Pleasant Tap
Easy Goer
Broad Brush
Personal Flag
Vanlandingham
Fit To Fight
Key To The Mint
Albert The Great



Salvator Mile Winners
Distorted Humor
Smart Strike
Slew City Slew

Swale S.
Yes It's True
Trippi
Mr. Greeley
Easy Goer
Seeking The Gold
Chief's Crown

Travers S.
Alydar
Chief's Crown
Forty Niner
Easy Goer
Holy Bull
Thunder Gulch
Lemon Drop Kid
Medaglia D'Oro
Point Given

Whitney H.
Tri Jet
Alydar
Star De Naskra
Easy Goer
In Excess
Sultry Song
Awesome Again
Victory Gallop
Lemon Drop Kid
Medaglia D'Oro
Awesome Again

Wood Memorial S.
Empire Maker
Tapit
Congaree
Fusaichi Pegasus
Unbridled's Song
Devl His Due
Easy Goer
Gulch
Broad Brush
Pleasant Colony
Seattle Slew

Salvator Mile winners isn't too shabby with Distorted Humor, Smart Strike and Slew City Slew. Every one mentions the Metropolitan H. but how about the Suburban H. winners which include a few decent stallions. Young America Stakes winners include Deputy Minister and Storm Cat.
The Kentucky Derby, Breeder's Cup Classic,and Preakness Stakes are obvious

Keith

Wow, great compilation and your right. Good food for thought.

Thanks for replies. I'm kicking around the idea of breeding stakes race winning stallions to mares that have winners of these same races in their distant past.
So far no really interesting hypo matings...it's amazing how talent can die out after 4 generations.

Great list, thank you Keith...

Epsom Derby Winners
Roberto
Galileo
Nijinsky II
Gainsborough
Mahmoud

Arlington Classic Winners
Saint Ballado
Exclusive Native
Nashua
Blue Larkspur
Tom Rolfe
Ack Ack


Keith