Point Given

Dahlia · Postby **Dahlia** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:17 pm

There is a rumor going around on another forum that Point Given stood in
South America somewhere for southern hemisphere duty, and that Flower Alley is in his stall at Three Chimneys, which led them to think maybe Point Given has been sold. Does anyone know anything? This made me anxious as he is one my favorites...

Thanks in advance!

bfinellc · Postby **bfinellc** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:31 am

I doubt that he has been sold as he has been the banner ad on bloodhorse.com for quite awhile now. I have also spoken to Ann Peters, the resident pedigree guru at Three Chimneys, about sending one of my mares to Point Given for the upcoming season. She said that his stud fee will remain at $15,000; but, I should stay away from Point Given since my goal is to sell the foal and that Point Given is not commercial. I think my mare fits with Point Given as he has done well with Seattle Slew line mares (mine is a Chief Seattle). Anyhow, I am on the fence as to whether I will be going to Point Given in the coming season. I would like to, but I cannot afford to sell the resulting weanling/yearling/or two year old for less than $20K-which is what it would probably bring based on this years sales results. Maybe they will have him in some of the stallion season auctions this winter and I can get him at a reasonable price? Heck, based on this years sale results-the reasonable price would be free!

And on that note-if these stallions are worth their stud price why wouldn't more farms be willing to offer foal share agreements? One of my mares half brother just sold as a yearling for $250K and the other is a stakes winner in Maryland....so I think some farm should be willing to take a shot at a foal share agreement....that is if they actually believe the hype that they try to sell us on their stallions!

LB · Postby LB » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:44 am

This is what was said on the other forum:

Well, didn't mean to indicate I have any inside info on Point Given.

I just didn't like seeing Flower Alley in what always has been Point Given's stall, and then to hear PG is in South America. I probably should have said that I FEAR that I won't see him back in the states. He's always been a huge favorite with me--so NOT to see him at Three Chimneys was a real bummer for me.

It's hardly the stuff of which rumors are made--until you brought it over here and started one.

Dahlia · Postby **Dahlia** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:02 am

LB wrote:This is what was said on the other forum:

Well, didn't mean to indicate I have any inside info on Point Given.

I just didn't like seeing Flower Alley in what always has been Point Given's stall, and then to hear PG is in South America. I probably should have said that I FEAR that I won't see him back in the states. He's always been a huge favorite with me--so NOT to see him at Three Chimneys was a real bummer for me.

It's hardly the stuff of which rumors are made--until you brought it over here and started one.

Get a grip. I did NOT start a rumor over here. I asked a simple question as to whether anyone here knew more in depth info. It's a free country.

Dahlia · Postby **Dahlia** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:47 am

Let me clarify my thoughts.

Maybe "there's a rumor going around" was not the best choice of words. But the CONCERN was brought up by a fellow PG FAN about the possibility of being sold to SA. I was simply trying to find out more information here from people who may wish to share their knowledge.

Icertainly don't think you accusing me of starting a rumor is a valid accusation. Why do you care anyway?

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:48 am

If he isn't coming back, it wouldn't be the first time farms mislead mare owners by booking to stallions that won't be there. They would just offer good deals to one of their other stallions.

Him being down there when he's not real hot up here doesn't bode well for him staying in the US.

windyr · Postby **windyr** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:08 pm

"Him being down there when he's not real hot up here doesn't bode well for him staying in the US."

Well he is 2nd on the 4th crop sire list to Tiznow with earnings of $4,425, 728 to date. With only four cops on the ground, his earnings put him ahead of Storm Cat, Silver Deputy, Yes Its True, Mr Greely, Seeking the Gold, El Prado, Forestry, etc.

Tough to see how he is not great value at $15,000

oliverstoned · Postby **oliverstoned** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:37 am

windyr looking at PG's other numbers like percentage of winners , stakes winners, yearling averages etc. its hard to imagine some one could consider him a good value. He was bred to some really nice mares in the beginning and could not capitalize on it, now he's getting mediocre mares which does not bode well for the future. I think I said in a post a couple of years ago he will end in Ny or something standing for 5k. Now I think South America would be a better place as they have more route races there. I also think now and then a nice one bred down there could make a splash up here. I think sometimes it's hard for people to separate the racehorse from the stallion, at this point in his stud career it doesn't matter that he was one the best racehorses of recent years.

chicago78 · Postby **chicago78** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:05 pm

He's certainly coming back for 2009. The South American farm leased him for this breeding season, and I guess if they got a good reception they'll try to do it again next year. $15,000 is probably a fair stud fee for him, but he's likely a breed to race horse at any price.

I don't see any problem with him being down there right now. Most of the Darley and Coolmore stallions are shuttled, and with today's economy, it makes sense for farms or syndicates to earn as much money as possible.

Bohemia · Postby **Bohemia** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:52 pm

oliverstoned wrote:I think sometimes it's hard for people to separate the racehorse from the stallion, at this point in his stud career it doesn't matter that he was one the best racehorses of recent years.

I am going to make a prediction that I know won't be a popular one - but I'll bet that Smarty Jones follows in Point Given's hoofprints. From what I've seen thus far from his first crop ... and he was bred to some fantastic mares ... he's headed for a stud fee reduction if something doesn't pop up and win a stakes before the end of the year. People are so in love with Smarty, though, that they are unwilling to see this may be the case. And to me, his pedigree doesn't suggest he'll get late-maturing runners. Weren't Smiles (his broodmare sire) fairly precocious? I think breeders paid a whopping stud fee for a superstar racehorse who may turn out to be a big disappointment as a sire.

Dave C · Postby **Dave C** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:33 am

Bohemia wrote:I am going to make a prediction that I know won't be a popular one - but I'll bet that Smarty Jones follows in Point Given's hoofprints. From what I've seen thus far from his first crop ... and he was bred to some fantastic mares ... he's headed for a stud fee reduction if something doesn't pop up and win a stakes before the end of the year. People are so in love with Smarty, though, that they are unwilling to see this may be the case. And to me, his pedigree doesn't suggest he'll get late-maturing runners. Weren't Smiles (his broodmare sire) fairly precocious? I think breeders paid a whopping stud fee for a superstar racehorse who may turn out to be a big disappointment as a sire.

And in 4 years you can cut, paste, and post about BB.

Bohemia · Postby **Bohemia** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:08 am

Not to pile on Smarty Jones, but he is one of only 4 freshman stallions in the top 25 who have had NO repeat winners, meaning that of his 5 winners, none of them have done anything but break their maidens thus far.

mightyhijames · Postby **mightyhijames** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:07 pm

point given had a runner in the BC races today, i believe the 6th. ran a HUGE second! i love the point givens and use them all the time with a pretty good success rate.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:34 am

Actually, Sealy Hill is a Point Given daughter and got 2nd at 48-1 in one of the BC races yesterday. I had a few pennies wagered on her.

oliverstoned · Postby **oliverstoned** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:47 am

I wonder if Sealy Hill's performance yesterday makes them second guess retiring her this year.