Pedigree Query

Who would you say is a commercial stallion that stands for $15K or less?

Medallist's progeny have sold very well. He stands for $5,000 at Northview.

I am considering Medallist with one of my mares since I have sent them to PA!

Closing Argument has been well received thus far.

Put It Back, Roar of the Tiger, Omega Code, Montbrook in Florida are some that come right to mind. They're all somewhat established, but since new sires are so often en vogue, these all have pretty decent chances to get a nice price at auction.

I would look closely at the first year's for next year.

But of those newly standing now, Half Ours, Master Command, Mr. Sekiguchi (he is terrific looking), Political Force, and Stormello all have things going for them that make them good to great commercial plays for breeders on a budget.

City Zip and Congaree are both $15K. Half Ours was so unsound it took him 3 years to have 7 starts and he retired with a fracture. Mr. Sekiguchi only had 4 starts and his best win was an allowance race. He did not even place in a stakes race.

Mr. Sekiguchi was actually quite brilliant but did get injured. Watch his races. I think he'll get a good looking sales foal.

As far as Half Ours, anyone who starts an Unbridled's Song that young, deserves the mess that comes with it. Super fast horse, a nice physical with some size.

They'll sell.

Half Ours best ragozin was a 4 1/2. Not superfast. Congaree got a -3. That is super fast. Mr. Sekiguchi's best was a 2 1/2. He had 2 starts 1 win at 2 and 2 starts 1 win at 3. He does not impress me. Storm Cat has a lot of sons at stud already.

Congaree's conformation is anything but commercial, coupled with a pedigree that is the same.

You seem to be confusing commercial viability with on track success. Two completely different things.

Sorry I always thought the idea was to breed horses that were successful on the track. I guess you people want halter class horses and not race horses. If commercial means unsound and broke down with famous ancestors it is no wonder the market is doing poorly. I would not breed to those stallions if you paid me.

I've read your posts. Soundness means nothing without brilliance. You breed horses who are conformationally compatible.

You seem to be ignoring that fact.

Freud, Readthefootnotes are both in NY. RTFN sold well last yr and had some very speedy 2 yr olds in training! I have foals from both pf these stallsions and though the oldest is now a 2 yr old in training I will say they are impressive thus far. We are very pleased.

chicago78 wrote:Put It Back, Roar of the Tiger, Omega Code, Montbrook in Florida are some that come right to mind. They're all somewhat established, but since new sires are so often en vogue, these all have pretty decent chances to get a nice price at auction.

I think both Roar of the Tiger and Omega Code need to have a good year this year to remain really commercial. Roar of the Tiger started out strong but is kind of in a slump now.

I love Omega Code and love the way he stamps his babies. But, they tend to be short horses and that's not great from a commercial standpoint. His sales results from August were either hit or miss - a good one brings good money but others were brining a fraction of stud fee. His weanlings at OBS sold poorly.

I've seen a lot of Roar of the Tigers who just were not physically well balanced. I love his pedigree and think he's going to be a nice sire. But, he's another one who is either hit or miss (and more misses than hits) in the sales ring.

Put It Back put a lot of over at the knee foals on the ground. If you can avoid that flaw, they sell. Otherwise, they don't.

Montbrook, I agree, is a good commercial bet.

Closing Argument is hot. Mutakddim is tried and true and reasonably commercial at $15k. In TX and LA Leestown at $4k is commercial.

If you can get your mare to New York, I consider Hook and Ladder a good play commercially (and breed-to-race).