Vote for the most overpriced new stallion

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Vote for the most overpriced new stallion

Postby oliverstoned » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:07 pm

A new entry today, Ready's Image for $12500.

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overpriced stallions

Postby ginger1307 » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:56 pm

Who is that?

But in reality , they are all overpriced with the economy being what it is.
I cant wait to see what they will announce for Henrythenavigator.. :D ..ginger

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Postby Tappiano » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:26 am

The owner never allows his colts to set foot on a track at age 4 and the farms accomodate him.... if they didn't he might reconsider.

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Postby bdw0617 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:17 pm

man.. i might have to agree with oliverstoned here.. Ready's Image was a nice ALLOWENCE horse in a horrid crop of 3YOS.

seriously, what in the world are they thinking?
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Postby bfinellc » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:46 pm

My vote is for The White Fox who is standing at Hopewell Farms in Kentucky for $3500. This guy won 1 of 8 life-time starts (at River Downs nonetheless) and earned $8,141 life-time. He has a horrible female family. What is Hopewell thinking!

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Postby oliverstoned » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:19 pm

bfinellc wrote:My vote is for The White Fox who is standing at Hopewell Farms in Kentucky for $3500. This guy won 1 of 8 life-time starts (at River Downs nonetheless) and earned $8,141 life-time. He has a horrible female family. What is Hopewell thinking!


I think that one is all about the novelty of him being a white thoroughbred.

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Postby bdw0617 » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:08 pm

i'm going to go who i go with every year.. forestry.
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Postby summerhorse » Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:40 pm

At the top end Big Brown has got to be the most overpriced considering his pedigree.

At every level The Green Monkey wins hands down. At least Ready's Image WON a race...
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Postby oliverstoned » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:16 pm

War Pass enters the fray at 30k. Aren't there other fragile/quick sons of Cherokee Run available for much less and a few proven duds as well. I say if your are so in love with Cherokee Runs why not pony up another 10k and go to CHEROKEE RUN.

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Postby Foggytrip » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:23 pm

Big Clown will prove to be a bust

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Postby AscotStud » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:27 am

I would love to go with Big Brown, but The Green Monkey has to take the cake, he was never better than 3rd and has a terrible female family. And is by my favorite sire of 4 race wonders Forestry.
Ready's Image was a good one too.
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Postby zinn21 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:14 am

On a regional level I vote for any of the Warren's Thoroughbreds Stallions.

The Green Monkey wins by virtue of all the publicity he received. I will say this, I saw a pic of him and the sucker is gorgeous.

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Postby Tappiano » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:14 pm

Two year old Run Away and Hide who ran 3 times and enters stud for $7,500. Son of City Zip. Are there any from this line who can tolerate training?

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OK call me crazy

Postby Joltman » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:41 pm

zinn21 wrote:.

The Green Monkey wins by virtue of all the publicity he received. I will say this, I saw a pic of him and the sucker is gorgeous.


At $5k the TGM might be a bargain? (That's before any back door deals.) I just go to the fact that the top bloodstock buyers on the planet liked what they saw in this guy says a lot, even now that he has failed as a race horse. His action at high speed was flawless and perfectly balanced conformation (their opinion - not mine).

He didn't win - but then there are some outstanding sires who didn't even start. Danzig earned all of $32k (maybe twice that today)

What would be interesting to know is what stopped him on the racetrack - something measurable or was it attitude? Is that something that a mare line can correct? There may be a lot less to correct in him than in other 'proven' and higher priced stallions.

I notice he has a lot of inbreeding to some major studs (In Reality, Bold ruler, Dr. Fager (!). Maybe time for an outcross mare?

In the beauty contest which is commercial sales he has a lot going for him. If he can throw half his looks and early speed, and gets bred to some quality mares early on and gets a big horse, watch out. $5k may look like a great bargain down the road.

There are plenty of proven losers out there commanding a lot more. Winners in the investment game know when a commodity has been over sold. TGM got SO much bad PR last year I think the negative sentiment may be driving his value too low. Time will tell of course.

Is there anybody out there who agrees with any of this? I know there are plenty who don't...

If nothing else, his babies should win halter class at the Va horse shows hands down.

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Re: OK call me crazy

Postby bdw0617 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:00 pm

Joltman wrote:
zinn21 wrote:.

The Green Monkey wins by virtue of all the publicity he received. I will say this, I saw a pic of him and the sucker is gorgeous.


At $5k the TGM might be a bargain? (That's before any back door deals.) I just go to the fact that the top bloodstock buyers on the planet liked what they saw in this guy says a lot, even now that he has failed as a race horse. His action at high speed was flawless and perfectly balanced conformation (their opinion - not mine).

He didn't win - but then there are some outstanding sires who didn't even start. Danzig earned all of $32k (maybe twice that today)

What would be interesting to know is what stopped him on the racetrack - something measurable or was it attitude? Is that something that a mare line can correct? There may be a lot less to correct in him than in other 'proven' and higher priced stallions.

I notice he has a lot of inbreeding to some major studs (In Reality, Bold ruler, Dr. Fager (!). Maybe time for an outcross mare?

In the beauty contest which is commercial sales he has a lot going for him. If he can throw half his looks and early speed, and gets bred to some quality mares early on and gets a big horse, watch out. $5k may look like a great bargain down the road.

There are plenty of proven losers out there commanding a lot more. Winners in the investment game know when a commodity has been over sold. TGM got SO much bad PR last year I think the negative sentiment may be driving his value too low. Time will tell of course.

Is there anybody out there who agrees with any of this? I know there are plenty who don't...

If nothing else, his babies should win halter class at the Va horse shows hands down.

jm


but dazing was brilliant in his 3 starts. undefeated and never really tested. just ended up getting hurt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIXV-mHds5w


3/5ths off the track record in his first race. yeah I don't think you can put the green monkey int he same catogory as dazing.

and bone chips stopped his career. it wasn't racing ability I promise you.
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