248 mares!
God, he must be tired.
Holy crap!
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and people wonder what is wrong with our industry...this is sad. I LOVE the fact that George Washingtons fill in Holy Roman Emperor is still attracting idiots. Hey everyone this one is shooting blanks so breed to this horse we will pluck out of training ...you'll get the same resulting foal.
I want to go...Into The Wild...and forget I ever got involved in this game.
I want to go...Into The Wild...and forget I ever got involved in this game.
too weird to live...too rare to die
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Barbaro06 wrote:Quantity...not quality.....that's the breeding standard nowadays. For shame.
You know, I hear this complaint all the time--even from breeders which kind of baffles me. The reason so many mares get bred is because everyone has the same dream, and because great horses don't always come from the most expensive pedigrees. If "quality standards" were raised, 99% of the breeders on this BB would be put out of business. Is that what's being advocated?
LB wrote:Barbaro06 wrote:Quantity...not quality.....that's the breeding standard nowadays. For shame.
You know, I hear this complaint all the time--even from breeders which kind of baffles me. The reason so many mares get bred is because everyone has the same dream, and because great horses don't always come from the most expensive pedigrees. If "quality standards" were raised, 99% of the breeders on this BB would be put out of business. Is that what's being advocated?
What breeder actively seeks to send their mare to a stud knowing they will be one of xxx foals? Could it be maybe the other farms were a bit more selective in accepting mares to their studs?
If I had a mare the last thing I'd want if I were breeding for the market is to have her be one of 150 foals. Yeah I know that all farms are not going to tell you the book size but the precedent has already been set so it's not hard to guess.
a freaking pox on all of them.....just plain greed......hey i know its a free market but the stallion biz has gone NUTS 
TALK ABOUT SQUEEZING THE LEMONS DRY ! there will be so many of there offspring that they will continue the trend of a buyers market....FOOLS.
TALK ABOUT SQUEEZING THE LEMONS DRY ! there will be so many of there offspring that they will continue the trend of a buyers market....FOOLS.A great man cannot help himself," "He can see things that other men cannot see themselves, and his greatness lies in doing whatever is necessary to make his vision real
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Unbridled's Song bred 141 mares in 2006 and they produced 110 live foals. In 2008 in North America 61 of those yearlings were offered at sales and 44 sold with a median of $317,500 in a somewhat down market. While this means that 22 yearlings sold for that price or lower, it also means that 22 sold for that price or higher, this is why breeders will opt to use him even though many others do also, the chance to hit the home run.
Everybody loves to blame the stallion managers and farms for the size of the books but the size of the book is determined by the demand for the service, the breeders are to blame not the people standing the stallions.
How many people on this forum that stand stallions actually turned down a mare owner last year because they did not think the mare had enough quality to be considered?
I do think stallion books should be limited, but I also think that the people who own the stallion are free to make the decision as to how many mares will be accepted.
We can say that greed runs the breeding side of the business, however, the greed should be shared by the mare owners as well if in fact greed is the driving force behind the large books.
DDT
Unbridled's Song bred 141 mares in 2006 and they produced 110 live foals. In 2008 in North America 61 of those yearlings were offered at sales and 44 sold with a median of $317,500 in a somewhat down market. While this means that 22 yearlings sold for that price or lower, it also means that 22 sold for that price or higher, this is why breeders will opt to use him even though many others do also, the chance to hit the home run.
Everybody loves to blame the stallion managers and farms for the size of the books but the size of the book is determined by the demand for the service, the breeders are to blame not the people standing the stallions.
How many people on this forum that stand stallions actually turned down a mare owner last year because they did not think the mare had enough quality to be considered?
I do think stallion books should be limited, but I also think that the people who own the stallion are free to make the decision as to how many mares will be accepted.
We can say that greed runs the breeding side of the business, however, the greed should be shared by the mare owners as well if in fact greed is the driving force behind the large books.
DDT
I would bet that someone has been turned down to US, has anyone ever been turned away from a Coolmore Stud? He's also far more established than Lion Heart. Was his third crop book as big as Lion Hearts?
It's really hard to get the point across the way I want to but let me try. I have followed the industry for well over 30 years (and I was a young child when I started). I have NO affiliation with anybody and have never owned a horse. I have studied pedigrees for more than 20 years and watched what's been going on in the market for at least that long. One reason for this is because I always planned to be involved somehow and I wanted to make sure that IF that day came that I had done all my homework and would make the best possible decisions that I could make based on everything I've learned.
I've also always expected to be a breed to race owner not a breed to sell so I wouldn't really care personally whether the stud covered 5 or 250 mares. I just don't understand why someone would want to be one of a hundred...
It's really hard to get the point across the way I want to but let me try. I have followed the industry for well over 30 years (and I was a young child when I started). I have NO affiliation with anybody and have never owned a horse. I have studied pedigrees for more than 20 years and watched what's been going on in the market for at least that long. One reason for this is because I always planned to be involved somehow and I wanted to make sure that IF that day came that I had done all my homework and would make the best possible decisions that I could make based on everything I've learned.
I've also always expected to be a breed to race owner not a breed to sell so I wouldn't really care personally whether the stud covered 5 or 250 mares. I just don't understand why someone would want to be one of a hundred...
If you're a knowledgeable owner and have quality over quantity in your broodmare band, big crop numbers aren't going to hurt you.
The problem is, people are breeding everything in the pasture. If you have a mare of known quality, the chances are she's going to throw a quality foal that's going to sell well, especially compared to the lesser foals from the stud.
So although a huge foal crop might seem like it could hurt a breeder, its only the case if you're one of the many that have a mare who can't separate herself from mediocracy.
The problem is, people are breeding everything in the pasture. If you have a mare of known quality, the chances are she's going to throw a quality foal that's going to sell well, especially compared to the lesser foals from the stud.
So although a huge foal crop might seem like it could hurt a breeder, its only the case if you're one of the many that have a mare who can't separate herself from mediocracy.