Regional market stallions vs. KY standing stallions

[radrider]

Do you think that there would be more of a niche in regional market stallions vs. Kentucky? With Kentucky there are thousands of stallions that don't make it after their first couple of years at stud and are shipped or sold elsewhere. With this in mind, do you think standing a stallion's first year at stud would be better off in a regional market? Just want to get some discussion going on this idea. Lots of you are stallion owners or breeders from all over and just wondering on your opinon of this.

[UmmYeah]

It totally depends upon the stallion, the pedigree, and the regional market. As you note, there are a lot of stallions that start in KY and then move to a smaller market, but there are also a number of stallions that found success first in a regional market, before moving to KY. It seems that you might have a particular stallion and/or regional market in mind in asking this question. Care to share?

[LB]

If I owned a stallion and he had the right credentials, I wouldn't think of starting him anywhere else but Kentucky. But of course it depends how well qualified the stallion is, and whether certain factors--for example, if he had a strong race record in California--predispose him to be more attractive to breeders in a regional market.

[radrider]

I don't neccesarily have a particular stallion in mind, but I do live in Iowa and even though there are some nice stallions here, Bravo Bull, Added Edge, Impeachment, etc...... I just think that there is room for another stallion with more of a "fashionable" pedigree and good race record that could stand here and make a good influence on Iowa breds. According to the Stallion Register Online, there are only 19 stallions in Iowa, whereas it seems that other Midwestern states have more.

[griff]

Would you move Not For Love to KY if you owned him??

I have a NFL colt that is PABRED, MD Sired [eligible for Maryland Millions] and will become Deleware Certified.

griff

[pokeyman]

Would you move Not For Love to KY if you owned him??

I have a NFL colt that is PABRED, MD Sired [eligible for Maryland Millions] and will become Deleware Certified.

griff

Nope...for points you mentioned. I will also include as a plus the stallion awards given to his owner for being in a Regional program.

[Hotwalker]

might depend on what you know of the mare population in that regional market. Is there a nick or outcross that people are looking for that isn't getting served by the local stallions.

[griff]

I bred my mare to NFL so I would have a 3S X 3D to Numbered Account.

Don't think I could get that in KY or anywhere else except Northview.

griff

[AscotStud]

Radrider,

Not to get into a debate, and I know you are talking about binging in a big time stud to Iowa. In my mind, the money just isn't there. Impeachment is by Sire of Sires Deputy Minister, out of a Criminal Type mare who is from the immediate family of Tale of Ekati, Pine Island, Pleasant Home, Dayjur, The Prime Minister, Gold Beauty...it is very fasionable, a classic Phipps family. He was 2nd in the Tampa Bay Derby and 3rd in the G1 Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Arkansas Derby, He ran in 5 G1's from May- August of his 3 year old year, before he was retired and syndicated instead of given time off and returned to the track.

[AscotStud]

If I owned a stallion and he had the right credentials, I wouldn't think of starting him anywhere else but Kentucky. But of course it depends how well qualified the stallion is, and whether certain factors--for example, if he had a strong race record in California--predispose him to be more attractive to breeders in a regional market.

That's one hell of a what if...I think any stallion owner on this board would too, but about 30% of the KY stallions really belong there. Ky and "most" people are fairly partial to their state, financially just or not. It's the same as my friends who show up at Keeneland a couple times a months, but look down on claimers like they have no part in the biz...yet they could never afford 1/4 of one.

Love it or not this biz needs all kinds and they can all be money makers if done properly

[Sysonby]

It's the same as my friends who show up at Keeneland a couple times a months, but look down on claimers like they have no part in the biz...yet they could never afford 1/4 of one.

Love it or not this biz needs all kinds and they can all be money makers if done properly

Good point. Once a fan transitions into an owner, that "cheap claimer" can become a very special animal indeed if he can earn his way and be competitive. I think you need the claiming game to make the stakes game go.

Same with regional stallions that racing fans don't necessarily give two rips about but are very good to the breeders of their states.

[zinn21]

Ascot wrote:

Not to get into a debate, and I know you are talking about binging in a big time stud to Iowa. In my mind, the money just isn't there.

State bred maiden $31,000 plus. One other than $47,000 plus. Iowa bred stakes races 55-70 thousand. Not bad..

[Bohemia]

Getting back to Not For Love (who is one of my favorite stallions), I've often wondered how great he might have become had he been standing in Kentucky all these years. He's done tremendously well with his regional mares.

[AscotStud]

Zinn,

I was talking about mare population, the cost to buy a big stud to move to a State such as Iowa would make it very tough to get that money back. The purses are great for State breds, that was a factor when we decided to move our stallion there. The other uphill battle is they have a relatively short meet. 8 months of the year they are running v. open competish

[griff]

Charles Town writes two WVBRED races a day 5 days a week 50 weeks per year.

griff