DANZIG PRINCE RACE: Did he finally was retired as a sire?

[Jorge]

Did this talented tail-male descendant from Spectacular Bid finally made it as a stallion?

http://www.pedigreequery.com/danzig+prince+race

Thanks for any latest news on him.

[Jorge]

Apropos this topic take notice that
FAVORITE BID, a giant gray son of SPECTACULAR BID will begin his stud career in 2010!!

For more information on him please refer to:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... hp?t=26956

[Jorge]

Spectacular Bid's tail male lineage is surviving in Mexico via Danzig Prince Race's sire. Hope to read more about Danzig Prince Race's progeny.

[Jorge]

Hmmm, a very interesting "nick" also present here:
XCHANGER: http://www.pedigreequery.com/xchanger

[Jorge]

Spectacular Bid's tail male lineage is surviving in Mexico via Danzig Prince Race's sire. Hope to read more about Danzig Prince Race's progeny.

Glad to know that DANZIG PRINCE RACE (gray H 2000) finally made it as a stallion.
He is the most successful tail-male descendant from SPECTACULAR BID (gray H 1976).

http://www.pedigreequery.com/danzig+prince+race
http://www.pedigreequery.com/shes+danzig+race

[Jorge]

New information just published on FAVORITE BID, the son of SPECTACULAR BID who was foaled three days before the latter passed away. A very well written factoid.

http://favoritebid1.homestead.com/about.html

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stalli ... _no=786964

[HJ]

Western Red a New Zealand bred grandson of Spectacular Bid has been to stud in NZ and Australia. He has had very little patronage with around 50% winners to starters and has bred a stakes winner in Australia. Western Red is a son of Belmont Futurity GR1 winner Spectacular Love who had reasonable success as a sire in New Zealand breeding his fair share of stakes winners.

Spectacularphantom another son of Spectacular Bid was a rather dismal sire in NZ, he did however sire Miss Jessie Jay who has turned out to be a spectacular broodmare being voted "broodmare of the year". Her daughter Katie Lee was champion 3 year old of New Zealand in 2009/2010 and became the first horse to win both the NZ 1000 Guineas and 2000 Guineas. Katie Lee was blessed with a sustained turn of foot and could accelerate in an instant. She was tough in close contests as well.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/katie+lee2
http://www.pedigreequery.com/western+red2

[Jorge]

Thank you so much for bringing up this valuable information on Katie Lee
http://www.pedigreequery.com/katie+lee2 and her ascendants.

This is of interest! I was always intrigued with Spectacularphantom http://www.pedigreequery.com/spectacularphantom
because he seems to be the only son ever produced by Spectacular Bid
out of a Native Dancer mare. I always wondered why this match was
never repeated, albeit I am aware of the difference in ages between both mates.

Another horse by Spectacular Bid I researched was Shepherd’s Field
http://www.pedigreequery.com/shepherds+field . He also ended up in your geographical area. In my opinion he was the best son sired by Spectacular Bid during his “post-royalty” years among top-notch mares. But again, his legacy is practically gone.

Bite the Bullet http://www.pedigreequery.com/bite+the+bullet
was another horse by Spectacular Bid that ended up in your
Area.

Oh yes I remember Spectacular Love http://www.pedigreequery.com/spectacular+love
Alas his legacy is also essentially gone.

As for Katie Lee, hope she becomes a great broodmare.
Thanks again for the good news.

[Jorge]

More on Spectacular Bid’s surviving tail-male lineage:

BID HIGHER (gray H 1990) http://www.pedigreequery.com/bid+higher
TODD CHAPMAN (gray colt 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/todd+chapman
CASTLE RISING (gray H 2001) http://www.pedigreequery.com/castle+rising4
RUNAWAY VALENTINO (gray H 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/runaway+valentino
LE ‘LIL VALENTINO (gray colt 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/le+lil+valentino
DANZIG PRINCE RACE (gray H 2000) http://www.pedigreequery.com/danzig+prince+race

[HJ]

Jorge

As you have pointed out Spectacular Bid has had sons representing him in Australia, the most noteworthy being Spectacular Spy , Bite The Bullet and Shepard’s Field

Interestingly Spectacular Spy and Bite the Bullet were three parts brothers. Spectacular Spy was out of the prolific mare Lassie Dear whilst Bite The Bullet was out of her daughter Lassie Lady (by Alydar). Lassie Dear is of course the dam of Weekend Surprise (dam of A.P. Indy) and of Charming Lassie (dam of Lemon Drop Kid) in addition to Champion South African sire Al Mufti (by Roberto).

At stud Bite the Bullet has bred 16 stakes winners including the smart Snipers Bullet who on his day was a world beater. Snipers Bullet won 3 GR1 races , the most memorable when he ran down the iron filly God Edition in the shadows of the post to win the time honored GR1 Stradbroke Handicap.Snipers Bullet was a tall rangy slab of a horse with a big roman nose head, he had a long raking stride. When he wound up Snipers Bullet lived up to his name, he possessed a withering burst of speed.

Spectacular Spy bred 10 individual stakes winners the best of whom were Quick Flick winner of the GR1 George Ryder Stakes and runner up in the GR1 Stradbroke Handicap, and Ab Inito a multiple graded stakes winner of 14 races.

Shepherd’s Field had an underwhelming stud career producing just one stakes winner Shepishir. There is an interesting twist here, Shepishir is out of Elshir a daughter of Spectacular Spy which means that Shepishir is the result of an inbreeding experiment to Spectacular Bid, to whom she is bred 2x3.

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[Jorge]

ANOTHER ANGLE ABOUT SPECTACULAR BID WORTH A DISCUSSION HERE:

Recently, a topic was brought to me about the importance of speedy mares in the pedigrees
of mighty Thoroughbred performers and a productive conversation developed.
I decided to share with all of you part of this message linking it to the apparent failure of
Spectacular Bid as a sire. This is part of what I wrote:

Absolutely, I agree with you in the importance of the bottom
half of a horse's pedigree. What an irony that it seems like publications and public relation
people, actually, deny the eficacy of this dictum that you and I acknowledge so clearly.
Those are the things that entangle the reasoning of people and that's why the
Thoroughbred breed goes the trend of confusion that affects the whole industry.

Apropos, these days I am revisiting the pedigree of Spectacular Bid and trying to go deeper into
his female lineage. Regardless of the fact that Bold Bidder was a tough handicap horse,
many people don't pay attention to the fact that Spectacular, dam of Spectacular Bid
was a track record setter herself and very precocious. Spectacular Bid was also a very
precocious colt. We all know that Spectacular Bid's heydays occurred when was bred to
top-notch mares with excellent maternal sides from the most blue blood pedigrees.
Then we all know what happened to him after he was sent to New York. Unfortunately,
since commercial breeders had little patience or perhaps lack of breeding creativity with him
we all know what happened to him. It is sad to know that he was practically never repeated
with the mares he impregnated during his initial years at stud; mainly because he was also
competing with the likes of Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed and Alydar. Tough rivals and all
en-vogue. In synthesis, returning to the article I referenced, the sppedy maternal side is more important,
far more important, than so-called breeding "connoisseurs" acknowledge in reality (not in theory
as we all witness). Hey, would really like to read more on that study. There is so much to learn from
that article that looks like the tip of an immense iceberg.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140105.htm

Please read the following two articles on the importance and pertinency of speedy broodmare influence on the lower side of his pedigree:

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/truenick ... ansen.aspx
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140105.htm (aforementioned)

But before posting your comments, please take the time to read the following article about Spectacular Bid.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... a-stallion

Thanks again for your participation.

[wallinga]

Jorge

As you have pointed out Spectacular Bid has had sons representing him in Australia, the most noteworthy being Spectacular Spy , Bite The Bullet and Shepard’s Field

Interestingly Spectacular Spy and Bite the Bullet were three parts brothers. Spectacular Spy was out of the prolific mare Lassie Dear whilst Bite The Bullet was out of her daughter Lassie Lady (by Alydar). Lassie Dear is of course the dam of Weekend Surprise (dam of A.P. Indy) and of Charming Lassie (dam of Lemon Drop Kid) in addition to Champion South African sire Al Mufti (by Roberto).

At stud Bite the Bullet has bred 16 stakes winners including the smart Snipers Bullet who on his day was a world beater. Snipers Bullet won 3 GR1 races , the most memorable when he ran down the iron filly God Edition in the shadows of the post to win the time honored GR1 Stradbroke Handicap.Snipers Bullet was a tall rangy slab of a horse with a big roman nose head, he had a long raking stride. When he wound up Snipers Bullet lived up to his name, he possessed a withering burst of speed.

Spectacular Spy bred 10 individual stakes winners the best of whom were Quick Flick winner of the GR1 George Ryder Stakes and runner up in the GR1 Stradbroke Handicap, and Ab Inito a multiple graded stakes winner of 14 races.

Shepherd’s Field had an underwhelming stud career producing just one stakes winner Shepishir. There is an interesting twist here, Shepishir is out of Elshir a daughter of Spectacular Spy which means that Shepishir is the result of an inbreeding experiment to Spectacular Bid, to whom she is bred 2x3.

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Sniper's bullet is still going around, he runs tomorrow in Sydney with 61kg's (134 pounds) in an open Hcp. he was only just beaten at his last start and looks to be back in some kind of form. I think bite the bullet might also still be alive.

[Jorge]

Wallinga,

Thank you very much for the information.
Hmmm, seems like there is not much left of SPECTACULAR BID
on the upper half of the pedigree department, not to speak
about the inheritance of his gray phenotype.

In this part of the world seems like FAVORITE BID (standing in Florida)
looks like a quite curious-auspicious candidate. Wish him all the best.

SNIPERS BULLET (Brown G) http://www.pedigreequery.com/snipers+bullet

[Jorge]

New information on DANZIG PRINCE RACE (MEX) who
is perhaps the only international top notch grey-tail-male-lineage
descendant coming from the mighty SPECTACULAR BID.

Shes Danzig Race (grey filly 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/shes+danzig+race
18 starts, winner

Greg Race (chestnut filly 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/greg+race
11 starts, winner

DANZIG PRINCE RACE (Mex) grey H 2000) http://www.pedigreequery.com/danzig+prince+race

[Jorge]

More on Spectacular Bid (and Danzig Prince Race) grey tail male lineage can be read at:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... 6&start=15