Pure Precision
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Pure Precision
Pure Precision to Godstone in PA.
merse wrote:reference Pennsylvania-breds: Someone on another forum wondered where were all of the mares coming from for these many stallions in Pennsylvania?
Many of them that are mares that are leaving Kentucky. Aside from the small breeders who like PA's incentive program better, both Hill n Dale and Winstar announced that they'll be foaling a substantial portion of their broodmare bands outside of Kentucky in 2010.
Yeah ; without taking the time to look up the other referenced forum that's pretty much what I had heard outside this website. Of course the other side of the coin is how many of those smaller breeders are just going to keep their mares home & do nothing, barring complimentary seasons under the right set of circumstances, in 2010 ? It's a proposition that would otherwise be preposterous but given the current climate maybe not so much. As for myself right now I'm looking at breeding only 1 mare out of 4 so it's not so far fetched I don't think.
Bring 'em back tired ; but bring 'em back sound !
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Opinions, including and especially my own, are much like horse shit. While you may never get rid of it all you'd be wise to eliminate most, while clearing yourself a path, lest you sicken your whole herd and fall on your ass. I'm all about the discussion & education while open to constructive criticism and correction. I personally wouldn't trust any of my opinions til such time that they are proven worthwhile which hopefully will happen this year when our first wave from our own mares hits the racetrack. Having said that, and since you asked for more opinion, here's my thoughts regarding Pure Precision. Is he currently worth the advertised stud fee ? Mmmm ... probably not but if you have a situation where a complimentary breeding fits into your program then I think you could do worse. Is he gonna see the numbers & quality of mares to help him out ? Mmmm ... again probably not given the current top 5 in the state but there's another stud at the same farm who has done well with virtually nothing and all of a sudden in 2009 he saw 65 mares ranking him # 5 in Pa. in that dep't. - the most ever for him - with previously only 78 lifetime foals, 56% starters, 36% winners & avg. earnings of over $44K lifetime - so somebody is paying attention. Whether or not the added numbers & quality of mares will make him a star is anybody's guess but how many times have we seen that scenarion before ? As far as sire lines for Pure Precision ( Montbrook ) - I think you have a fairly broad brush with which to work including but not limited to Nearctic ( N.D. via Lyphard looks particularly nice ), Valid Appeal, Bold Ruler & In Reality as no brainers. I would certainly have no hesitation in sending my Tabasco Cat mare and will do so depending on her foaling date and fee. I could just as easily send him my Beau Genius, Waquoit & Slew City Slew mares but 2 of those 3 will get a rest with the third already booked to E Dubai. So anyway ; that's my initial take without putting a whole lot of thought into it. Again - just my personal opinions and absolutely open for discussion.
Bring 'em back tired ; but bring 'em back sound !
LB wrote:merse wrote:reference Pennsylvania-breds: Someone on another forum wondered where were all of the mares coming from for these many stallions in Pennsylvania?
Many of them that are mares that are leaving Kentucky. Aside from the small breeders who like PA's incentive program better, both Hill n Dale and Winstar announced that they'll be foaling a substantial portion of their broodmare bands outside of Kentucky in 2010.
Problem is that there's a lack of quality farms in Pa. to handle broodmares from Winstar and their counterparts. Would love to know where these mares are being boarded.
Interesting that there are now 2 Montbrook sons (Pure Precision & Trust N Luck) & a total of 3 Buckpasser line sires (add Lite The Fuse to the other two) standing in PA.
And on a different topic - where all the mares will be coming from for all the PA sires --
The Jockey Club's 2009 statistics show 97 active stallions in PA (up from 89 in 2008) and 1,603 mares bred (up from 1,237 in 2008). While that makes the average fewer than 17 mares/stallion, many stallions are "house" stallions whose owners stand them primarily or solely to their own mare or two, to race the foals themselves or in partnerships with friends. It seems to me that when someone brings a new stallion to PA at this point, they will need to support their own stallion with either very commercial mares (since PA-sired PA-breds currently do not sell well & they will need to pave the way) or with very solid breed-to-race mares (so they can earn breeders' awards the old-fashioned way - by racing homebreds).
If there is one weakness in most PA breeders' plans, it is that there is no fall-back, if the foal doesn't sell as a weanling or yearling. The breeders who are also owner/trainers don't have to worry about a mercurial market because they're going to train & race their own - and possibly, defray costs by taking a partner.
By the way - I DO think Bohemia had the right question -- where will all those mares reportedly coming out of Kentucky foal in Pennsylvania? Farms here are smaller, with more mares-per-acre than in Kentucky. And many are already pretty full.
I'd like to point out a lovely farm next door to me - limestone geology, just 2 miles off I-81 & right on Brookledge's route from KY to its PA location . . . could be bought, fenced & turned into a nice nursery for PA-breds or a training facility (and keep me from wondering when it will go from farm to a housing development). I don't actually know the absentee owner . . . just puttin' a thought out there.
And on a different topic - where all the mares will be coming from for all the PA sires --
The Jockey Club's 2009 statistics show 97 active stallions in PA (up from 89 in 2008) and 1,603 mares bred (up from 1,237 in 2008). While that makes the average fewer than 17 mares/stallion, many stallions are "house" stallions whose owners stand them primarily or solely to their own mare or two, to race the foals themselves or in partnerships with friends. It seems to me that when someone brings a new stallion to PA at this point, they will need to support their own stallion with either very commercial mares (since PA-sired PA-breds currently do not sell well & they will need to pave the way) or with very solid breed-to-race mares (so they can earn breeders' awards the old-fashioned way - by racing homebreds).
If there is one weakness in most PA breeders' plans, it is that there is no fall-back, if the foal doesn't sell as a weanling or yearling. The breeders who are also owner/trainers don't have to worry about a mercurial market because they're going to train & race their own - and possibly, defray costs by taking a partner.
By the way - I DO think Bohemia had the right question -- where will all those mares reportedly coming out of Kentucky foal in Pennsylvania? Farms here are smaller, with more mares-per-acre than in Kentucky. And many are already pretty full.
I'd like to point out a lovely farm next door to me - limestone geology, just 2 miles off I-81 & right on Brookledge's route from KY to its PA location . . . could be bought, fenced & turned into a nice nursery for PA-breds or a training facility (and keep me from wondering when it will go from farm to a housing development). I don't actually know the absentee owner . . . just puttin' a thought out there.