einstein retired

[bdw0617]

how much would YOU pay to breed to him?

[Strategic Maneuver]

I don't know but I do really like the Buckpasser line and I hope Einstein will be successful. There's no telling what Adena will price him at.

[oliverstoned]

I think I saw his fee at 7500 a while back.....me I'd pay 5.

[ArchDandy]

I WISH he was 5k- he is the type of horse I would look for, not that I know a damned thing about breeding. Lots of starts, millions in earnings, lengthy career... I like him BECAUSE he's a router, but those are not popular.

[da hossman]

Brazilian bred, two turn grass (poly), retiring late, by Spend A Buck....I'll bet they will take $2500 LF if you offer it. No commercial appeal, better use him only if you are breeding to race.

[LB]

Brazilian bred, two turn grass (poly), retiring late, by Spend A Buck....I'll bet they will take $2500 LF if you offer it. No commercial appeal, better use him only if you are breeding to race.

But if you're breeding to race, why breed to an unproven horse?

[kimberley mine]

Brazilian bred, two turn grass (poly), retiring late, by Spend A Buck....I'll bet they will take $2500 LF if you offer it. No commercial appeal, better use him only if you are breeding to race.

But if you're breeding to race, why breed to an unproven horse?

Because he offers something you want in your breeding program that you can't otherwise get?

[LB]

Brazilian bred, two turn grass (poly), retiring late, by Spend A Buck....I'll bet they will take $2500 LF if you offer it. No commercial appeal, better use him only if you are breeding to race.

But if you're breeding to race, why breed to an unproven horse?

Because he offers something you want in your breeding program that you can't otherwise get?

Certainly, yes, that would be the only reason I can come up with. But it just seems like a gamble if you're breeding to race, considering how many stallions retire to stud and how few succeed. We both race and sell and we've bred to a few unproven stallions--horses that I really, really wanted a foal by. I guess I just can't quite fit Einstein into that category though I can see how others might.

[da hossman]

I agree completely with you LB - breedng to race should always use a proven horse! I got a little caught up in trying to put a positive spin on a horse I have no use for in the breeding shed.

[Toral]

He's been announced to stand for $7500.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... d-for-7500

[pokeyman]

Brazilian bred, two turn grass (poly), retiring late, by Spend A Buck....I'll bet they will take $2500 LF if you offer it. No commercial appeal, better use him only if you are breeding to race.

But if you're breeding to race, why breed to an unproven horse?

Because he offers something you want in your breeding program that you can't otherwise get?

I agree. That's the only reason I would go to an unproven stallion. But, we have to remember, what is special for one breeder may not be for another...

[kimberley mine]

I agree. That's the only reason I would go to an unproven stallion. But, we have to remember, what is special for one breeder may not be for another...

I think his pool of likely-to-be-successful mates is fairly small compared to what he would get in South America or Europe. He'd probably do better in France or Italy than North America.

[da hossman]

One of the interesting things about South American breeders is that they generally are not interested in horses that are SA bred as stallions. They are always looking across the hemispheres to the US and Europe.

I have been involved in sending a number of horses down there to shuttle or stand, and their lack of interest in SA bred horses that are in the US (Einstein, Siphon, Sandpit, Storm Military, etc) continues to puzzle me.

[kimberley mine]

One of the interesting things about South American breeders is that they generally are not interested in horses that are SA bred as stallions. They are always looking across the hemispheres to the US and Europe.

I have been involved in sending a number of horses down there to shuttle or stand, and their lack of interest in SA bred horses that are in the US (Einstein, Siphon, Sandpit, Storm Military, etc) continues to puzzle me.

Something similar happened in Australia and New Zealand after Danehill hit it big--"colonial-bred" stallions couldn't get anywhere near the popularity of imports. After a while, breeders down under started using locally bred stallions more often. The same thing may be happening in South America.