captain bodgit

[reenci]

anyone out there in the great white north have any info on how the captain is being recieved in canada......is he getting any mares? NY sure as hell didnt give him to many.

[Shannon]

I haven't heard much about him. He's standing in Okotoks Alberta. I don't know how many mares he bred last year, but if his numbers are anything to go by, he was geting a decent number. He has 254 foals of racing age from 4 crops so...about 63 mares+ per year? That is pretty darn good if you ask me, especially aroud here. Now like I said, I don't know when he arrived here, so this is maybe a reflection of his numbers BEFORE heading up here? If so, he will be lucky to get half that in Alberta I would suspect. I will ask around and see what I can find out for you though.

[reenci]

I haven't heard much about him. He's standing in Okotoks Alberta. I don't know how many mares he bred last year, but if his numbers are anything to go by, he was geting a decent number. He has 254 foals of racing age from 4 crops so...about 63 mares+ per year? That is pretty darn good if you ask me, especially aroud here. Now like I said, I don't know when he arrived here, so this is maybe a reflection of his numbers BEFORE heading up here? If so, he will be lucky to get half that in Alberta I would suspect. I will ask around and see what I can find out for you though.

thanks i would like to know...i think he covered about 20+ mares in NY. by the way who are the stallions that stand where you work ?

[TBG]

Here are Captain Bodgit's breeding statistics.

foaling yr/ mares covered/ foals/ state

1999 104 65 KY
2000 114 75 KY
2001 112 56 KY
2002 108 43 KY
2003 71 49 KY
2004 25 13 NY
2005 27 NY

[Shannon]

Reenci. A very good friend of mine just bought a TB stallion named Perfect Score. I will be helping her out with him this season, as well as managing a stallion station run by another friend and veternarian. We are standing 4 (with 2 more in the works) QH stallions and 1 paint. The QH stallions (if you're interested) are as follows:
Listo Pollito Lena AQHA
Jalepeno Peppy AQHA
Banditos Gold Digger AQHA
SVR Royal Checkmate AQHA
Okies Last Chance APHA

Still working on halter stallion Awesome Continental, and cutting stallion Dual Banditos Gold, as well as a hunter pony stallion.
We are also a full service station for shipping and receiving semen.

[Shannon]

Okay...I just looked at the numbers for the Captain, and I am not impressed at his foals vs mares covered numbers. Does he have fertility problems? Or was there some serious mis-managment at the farms he stood at? Less than 50 % live foals does not bode well for my taste.

[BookieBuster]

Here are Captain Bodgit's breeding statistics.

foaling yr/ mares covered/ foals/ state

1999 104 65 KY
2000 114 75 KY
2001 112 56 KY
2002 108 43 KY
2003 71 49 KY
2004 25 13 NY
2005 27 NY

BrisNet's Online Stallion Directory reports the following live foals per year for Captain Bodgit. In every year, the figure is higher than those you posted. May I ask what source you quoted above?

1999 ... 72
2000 ... 75
2001 ... 61
2002 ... 49
2003 ... 51
2004 ... 15
2005 ... 1

[BookieBuster]

Does he have fertility problems? Or was there some serious mis-managment at the farms he stood at? Less than 50 % live foals does not bode well for my taste.

Neither. While in Kentucky, he stood at Margaux Farm, which is run by one of the finest horsemen in the business, Steve Johnson. Steve has been voted Farm Manager of the Year, and is currently the president of the Farm Manager's Association.

I feel compelled to remind you that "live foal vs. mares covered" data is almost never complete. The mares covered info is probably accurate, but the farm or stalion owner is left at the mercy of the mare owner as to when (if ever) they send in the paperwork on the resulting foal.

Bodgit's fertility rate is more realistically a higher number. I'd suggest you drop an email to Margaux Farm and ask them for the figures when the horse stood there.

[TBG]

The information I gathered was from the Jockey Club "Breeding Statistics" for each Breeding Year / Foaling Year. I don't know if the numbers they show are accurate or not. I would hope so, but who knows?

[Shannon]

I forgot that with the TB you don't have to send in your paperwork by 7 months. QH registration gives a lot of incentives to register early. WOuldn't the stallion owner need to be informed of no live foal though if they offer a LF gaurantee? Do they have to inform the JC on breeding reports if they re-breed a mare on a LFG as opposed to breeding her on a regular stud fee?

[madelyn]

Some folks who "wait to pay their stud fees" until a live foal is born don't report until they're ready to pay the fee, ie: the foal turns out really nice, they figure they got their money's worth. However, I always return my reports when the mare did not get in foal, and I suspect everyone else does too, or slips, etc. Captain Bodgit's numbers don't look too hot, especially if he was at a farm with a capable breeding manager. This is Rocking Trick's first year so we don't know how he will do, but last year we had Bad Boy Atta, covered two TB mares, two in foal, two live foals must be a hundred percenter. This year he covered one mare so far, one mare in foal. RT will have his first today or tomorrow, the Tricky Creek mare showed a false heat Jan 26th.

[Dave C]

reenci:

It is difficult to guess at this point how Captain Bodgit will be received in Alberta since many small breeders wait until their mares are ready to breed before they book to a stallion. Additionally, a fairly significant number of new stallions have been brought into Alberta this winter making the market a little bit saturated. CB will be well supported by the farm where he is standing and as I understand it Margaux Farms has maintained an interest in CB and will be sending some mares to him. My GUESS is that he will only receive a small number of outside mares because the mare population simply is not large enough to support the number of stallions standing in Alberta with significant booksizes. I would guess a final book size of not more than 30.

[CdnDerbyFan]

Alberta Report of Mares Bred

Rosetti 51
Dr. Adagio 43
Smile Again 42
Haus of Dehere 40
Commitisize 38
Half a Year 38
Devonwood 37
Just a Cat 37
Go Gary Go 36
Othello 30
Hurricane Center 26
Brunswick 24
Esteem 24
Brass Minister 23
Tossofthecoin 22

And so on. So one would think that Captain Bodgit would be in the 30-40ish range given his past.


There has been some more stallions added to the mix since this list (Tiger Trap, Alydeed) so what that will likely thin the list down a bit.

Interesting to see Weekend Guest (Mr P. son) down to 8 mares reported.

CDF

[Jean]

The first year of Just a Cat here in Alberta he received 70 some mares and his numers have gone down since so likely CB will be the same. Is also being managed by an aggressive stallion manager who has an excellent reputation in Alberta at Horizon Farms.

[Dave C]

Keep in mind that all of teh stallions who received 25 or more mares last year in Alberta had stud fees of $2500 or less, with the exception of Just A Cat ($3000). They are asking $3500 for Captain Bodgit. When Just A Cat received 70 mares he stood for $2500, and he had the advantage of being one of the first sons of the highly fashionable Storm Cat to enter the Province. Additionally, even though JC has thrown nothing of particular note, he is still improving his mares. A better comparison for CB would be Dr. Adagio who received just over 40 mares in his first year in Alberta. Dr. Adagio although not anywhere near the quality of race horse as CB has an arguably better pedigree, and has put up better numbers as a sire before being banished to the hinterlands. DA stood for $2000 last year to attract 40+ mares. I don't want to sound like I'm tearing CB and his connections down, but I do think they are going to have to work very, very hard to attract a significant number of outside mares to CB given the relatively small mare population and the more modestly priced competition for those mares.