"Live Foal, Stands and Nurses" ?
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"Live Foal, Stands and Nurses" ?
I saw it for Harlington in the Stallion Register Online. Not all the Hill 'n Dale stallions have that, some are just "stands and nurses." What's the distinction?
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madelyn wrote:Well one assumes the foal has to be alive to stand and nurse..
See? That's why I'm so confused. That's an odd distinction to make. Some aren't listed as "live, stands and nurses," in fact most don't mention "live" at all. Why bother putting it in in the first place? I'm assuming they got lazy with the delete button and didn't take out the entirety of the "live foal" that was there. I guess they didn't notice the redundancy.
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Heidilady wrote:madelyn wrote:Well one assumes the foal has to be alive to stand and nurse..
See? That's why I'm so confused. That's an odd distinction to make. Some aren't listed as "live, stands and nurses," in fact most don't mention "live" at all. Why bother putting it in in the first place? I'm assuming they got lazy with the delete button and didn't take out the entirety of the "live foal" that was there. I guess they didn't notice the redundancy.
It's really not that difficult. When you breed, you get a Live Foal Guarantee. That's the starting point. That's why the word "live" is mentioned. The second part of the phrase "stands and nurses" determines when a foal is judged to be "live" to satisfy the guarantee.
Say you have a foal that is born alive but never gets up. For the purposes of the guarantee--which is all we're talking about here--the foal doesn't qualify, even though it is alive when it's born.
The guarantee in its entirety reads "Live Foal, Stands and Nurses." As I mentioned above, "Stands and Nurses" is merely shorthand, which makes sense due to the assumption that madelyn pointed out.
There are actually two different things at play here. The first is when is the stallion fee due? The contract may state the fee is due when the foal stands and nurses. Using the Darby Dan stallion roster as an example, Tale of Ekati is advertised at
Sometimes the fee is due at a different time. For example, Sun King is advertised by Darby Dan as
Chuck
So when the foal stands and nurses you owe the stud fee.2010 fee - $15,000 (Stands and Nurses)
Sometimes the fee is due at a different time. For example, Sun King is advertised by Darby Dan as
This means the fee is due 9/1 but there is some type of a live foal guarantee. This brings up the second issue. Specifically what is the guarantee? What constitutes a live foal? This needs to be clearly spelled out in the breeding contract. The terms of the guarantee also need to be clearly defined. Sometimes the farm will return your money. Sometimes they will offer you a free return breeding the following year. To further complicate things some contracts will void all guarantees and declare the stud fee due and payable immediately if the mare is offered for sale. The devil is in the details. The best thing to do is consult a lawyer who is familiar with this type of contract before you sign.2010 fee - $10,000 (LF Due 9/1)
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Chuck is correct, the "Stands and Nurses" part usually refers to when the fee is due.
Otherwise the fee is due 11/1 or 9/1 (or whatever date is designated in the contract), at which time the stud farm should put the received fee into an escrow account where it is held until fully earned (the arrival of a live foal). If the mare aborts or the foal is stillborn the fee is returned to the breeder.
This day in time few farms instruct their foaling people to stand back and let the foal get up on its own - usually the foaling man strips the sinuses clear, checks for cleft palate, sterilizes the umbilicus break, injects an antibiotic, drags the foal around to where the mare can lick & clean it, etc. Eventually the foal will be assisted in its attempts to stand and its search for the teat.
Dummy & septic foals, foals with ribs fractured in the foaling process, etc. make things a bit more difficult for the breeder and the stallion farm, which is where the stallion farm's reputation and practices become very important.
Otherwise the fee is due 11/1 or 9/1 (or whatever date is designated in the contract), at which time the stud farm should put the received fee into an escrow account where it is held until fully earned (the arrival of a live foal). If the mare aborts or the foal is stillborn the fee is returned to the breeder.
This day in time few farms instruct their foaling people to stand back and let the foal get up on its own - usually the foaling man strips the sinuses clear, checks for cleft palate, sterilizes the umbilicus break, injects an antibiotic, drags the foal around to where the mare can lick & clean it, etc. Eventually the foal will be assisted in its attempts to stand and its search for the teat.
Dummy & septic foals, foals with ribs fractured in the foaling process, etc. make things a bit more difficult for the breeder and the stallion farm, which is where the stallion farm's reputation and practices become very important.
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