Recently, I experienced flooding for the first time in 35 years and in the process of cleaning out the basement I got looking thru years of race horse publications. It's interesting to go back and see what was popular then, and how many no longer exist now. You know, it's funny, we have the modern age of the internet yet it's just not like looking through a Thoroughbred Record Stud Book of 1982. It should be titled - "What Happened"
$5,000 and up stud fee horses included:
Affiliate 1974 Chestnut
(Unconcious - Swinging Doll by Raise A Native)
As a 3 year old this horse had an amazing 22 starts winning 8 with 2-2nds and 4-3rds.; His wins included the Grade 1 Monmouth Invitational Handicap and the Grade 2 Vosburgh Handicap; He ran 2nd in the Grade 1 Swaps defeating Seattle Slew; 2nd in the Grade 1 Hollywood Derby; 3rd in the Grade 2 Withers, 3rd in the Grade 2 Jerome Handicap and 3rd in the Grade 3 Hawthorne Derby; He was 2nd highweight on the Experimental Free Handicap that year
He stood at Spendthrift for $6500.00
Akureyi 1978 Bay
(Buckpasser - Royal Statue by Northern Dancer)
He stood at Windfields Maryland for $20,000.00
Allan Blue 1977 Dark Bay
(Tara Road - Royal Ridan by Ridan)
This horse was The Champion Two Year Old Colt in Canada in 1979; He won at 5 furlongs to a 1 1/8 (both dirt and turf at 2)
He stood at Noel Hickey's Irish Acres in Ocala for $7500.00
Always Gallant 1974 Chestnut
(Gallant Romeo - Extended by Sadair)
He stood for $5,000.00 at Meadowbrook in Ocala
Alydar - really don't have to say anything about this one
Stood for $80,000 at Calumet
Amber Pass 1977 Bay
(Pass Catcher - Amberina by Somerset)
This one about floored me as he stood for $30,000 at Sunnyview in New York
Architect 1978 Bay
(Mr. Leader - Summer Hut by Summer Tan)
10 wins in 15 starts at 3
Stood for $7500 at The Stallion Station in Kentucky
Argument [Fr.] 1977 Bay Horse
(Kautokeino - Arantelle by Tapioca)
Champion 3 Year Old Colt In France
Stood for $30,000 at Gainesway
Now what really jumps out at ya' are the stallions that had foals of racing age.
Adios II 1970 Bay
(Silly Season - Angello by Crepello)
This horse only had 2 starts at 2 in England breaking his maiden in the Group 2 Royal Lodge Stakes; Sire of 9 stakes horses in his first 4 crops
He stood for $6000 in California
Advocater 1963 Bay
(Round Table - Delta Queen by Bull Lea)
I always liked this horse but kind of forgot about his spotty race record; He won 3 in 9 starts at 2 including the Cowdin; At 3 he won 1 race in 17 starts (an allowance race no less), but he did run 2nd in the Kentucky Derby and 3rd in the Belmont Stakes; He had another 8 starts at 4 winning 4 including the 1 mile Westchester, the 6 furlong Toboggan H. and the 1 1/8 mile Seminole H.; As a 5 year old he started another 12 times, winning only 2 but that included the 1 1/2 mile Sunrise H. setting a new course record; In 10 crops he had sired 172 starters from 218 foals, 137 winners and 18 Stakes Winners
He stood for $10,000 at Gainseway
Al Hattab 1966 Roan
(The Axe II - Abyssinia by Abernant)
WOW, 14 starts at 2 winning 4, 14 starts at 3 winning 7, 14 starts at 4 winning 3 and only a measely 3 starts at 5 winning 2 (a bit of sarcasm there); In his first 7 crops he sired 21 stakes winners from 235 foals; He was the Leading Freshman Sire in 1975 and among the leading Juvenile Sires in 1976 and 1980
He stood for $25,000 at Domino Stud in Kentucky
Ali Oop 1974 Gray
(Al Hattab - Courtly Dee by Never Bend)
23 Starts at 2 and 3 winning 7 of them; He sired 5 winners in his 1st crop to race in 1981 including 1 SW and 2 SP
He stood for $5,000 Ben Walden's Dearborn in Kentucky
An Act 1973 Dark Bay
(Pretense - Durga by Tatan)
Santa Anita Derby winner; He sired 4 winners in his 1st crop to race in 1981 including 1 SW
He stood for $10,000 at Akindale in New York
Angle Light 1970 Bay
(Quadrangle - Pilot Light by Jet Action)
21 starts at 2 and 3 winning The Wood Memorial defeating Sham and Secretariat; In his 1st 5 crops he sired 100 starters from 127 foals with 74 winners and 8 Stakes Winners
He stood for $10,000 at Runnymeade in Kentucky
Anticipating 1971 Bay
(Bold Ruler - Marking Time by To Market)
This horse won 1 race in 10 starts from 2 to 5; In his 1st 3 crops tho' he had sired 50 starters from 62 foals with 32 winners and 3 stakes winners
He stood for $7,000 in Maryland
Apalachee 1971 Bay
(Round Table - Moccassin by Nantallah)
Champion 2 year old in England and Ireland off of 3 wins in 3 starts; Sired 10 stakes winners in his first 4 crops
He stood for $12,500 at Gainesway
Thats it for the A's that stood for $5000 or more - I didn't list the private treaties or non - listed; If interested in this thread continuing, let me know.
It's interesting to know the percentages of starters and winners to foals compared to the puppy mill syndrome that the thoroughbred industry is afflicted by today, I also noticed very little linebreeding thru the first 3 generations and rarely more than 2 duplicates thru the first 5 and also the number of starts is astonishing on many of them. As an example; Advocater wins at 7 furlong at 2, 6 furlongs at 3 and then runs 2nd and 3rd in the Derby and Belmont Stakes then sets a new course record going a 1 1/2 at 5; To bad we can't all learn something from that.
Jeff
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JCBloodstock wrote:
It's interesting to know the percentages of starters and winners to foals compared to the puppy mill syndrome that the thoroughbred industry is afflicted by today, I also noticed very little linebreeding thru the first 3 generations and rarely more than 2 duplicates thru the first 5 and also the number of starts is astonishing on many of them. As an example; Advocater wins at 7 furlong at 2, 6 furlongs at 3 and then runs 2nd and 3rd in the Derby and Belmont Stakes then sets a new course record going a 1 1/2 at 5; To bad we can't all learn something from that.
Jeff
I really enjoyed reading all your posting. Would you like to expand your position on your last parragraph (cited)?
Thanks for your comments!
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Well, to me even tho' you still had high stud fee's, you still had folks breeding racehorses.
Not all was commercial then and it's obvious by the starts back then they were breeding a sounder individual. Could it be that the sounder individual was coming from a more selective breeding theory. Very little crossing of ancestors thru the 1st 3 generations and only 2 duplicates thru 5 generations.
But then, somewhere in the mid to late 80's you started to see the change. Suddenly it was invest in pretty, invest in what will sell in the sale ring and forget about those ones that were bred to be racehorses. Then in the mid to late 90's came the 100 and 200 mare books, the industry went from quality to quantity, poke and hope syndrome, if 1 out of 50 hits thats great and if it doesn't, well, we just won't advertise those.
It's interesting to look at the leading sires in 1981:
The top broodmare sires were:
Double Jay
Prince John
Round Table
Sir Gaylord
Bold Ruler
T V Lark
Warfare
Never Bend
Raise A Native
Nashua
The Leading Sires Of Two Year Olds Were:
Hoist The Flag
Vice Regent
Drone
Nodouble
Quack
Cougar II
Mr. Prospector
Lord Durham
What Luck
Key Rulla (Who ???????)
The Leading Freshman Sires Were:
Turn And Count
Majestic Light
Royal Ski
Dance Spell
Northerly
Victorian Prince
Talc
Other Notables:
Mr. Prospector - No listed stud fee, at the time he had sired 4 crops, 26 Stakes Winners from 157 foals; In his 1st 4 crops came the likes of It's In The Air, Hello Gorgeous, Fappiano, Diamond Prospect, Gold Stage, Miswaki, Stutz Blackhawk, Rare Performer, Northern Prospect, Conquistador Cielo
This was another one that floored me on stud fee:
Youth - stood for $40,000 at Gainseway; It had listed his 1st 2 crops and he had sired a whole 2 winners from 60 foals one of which was a stakes winner; He did also have 1 SW in France and 1 Stakes Placed but wow, a $40,000 stud fee; Even Ghostzapper has him beat
Vice Regent stood for a $50,000 stud fee in Canada and justifiably so; In 7 crops he had sired 151 foals, 122 starters,107 winners and 26 stakes winners
Valid Appeal stood for a Private fee and had gotten off to a slow start having sired 18 winners from 42 foals with 3 Stakes winners
One that no ones ever heard of was a horse called:
Turn To Bo by Turn To - did not start at 2 but raced 25 times at 3 and by the end of his 5 year old year had started 63 times winning 10 races (no stakes wins or placings); He did have 2 crops on the ground and had sired 30 starters from 39 foals with 16 winners, 2 Sw's and 1 Sp
He stood for $2,000 in Nebraska
Torsion by Never Bend had 20 starts at 3
Then there was a horse named Throne by Drone - 20 starts as a 2 year old (you'd be arrested for abuse if you started a 2 year old today that many times)
Even Sham on the iffa, woulda, shoulda, coulduv' note had sired 15 stakes winners from his first 5 crops so he was beating Secretariat at that time as Secretariat had 14; Riva Ridge also had 5 crops at the time and had 12 stakes winners
It's interesting going thru these old books
Well, to me even tho' you still had high stud fee's, you still had folks breeding racehorses.
Not all was commercial then and it's obvious by the starts back then they were breeding a sounder individual. Could it be that the sounder individual was coming from a more selective breeding theory. Very little crossing of ancestors thru the 1st 3 generations and only 2 duplicates thru 5 generations.
But then, somewhere in the mid to late 80's you started to see the change. Suddenly it was invest in pretty, invest in what will sell in the sale ring and forget about those ones that were bred to be racehorses. Then in the mid to late 90's came the 100 and 200 mare books, the industry went from quality to quantity, poke and hope syndrome, if 1 out of 50 hits thats great and if it doesn't, well, we just won't advertise those.
It's interesting to look at the leading sires in 1981:
The top broodmare sires were:
Double Jay
Prince John
Round Table
Sir Gaylord
Bold Ruler
T V Lark
Warfare
Never Bend
Raise A Native
Nashua
The Leading Sires Of Two Year Olds Were:
Hoist The Flag
Vice Regent
Drone
Nodouble
Quack
Cougar II
Mr. Prospector
Lord Durham
What Luck
Key Rulla (Who ???????)
The Leading Freshman Sires Were:
Turn And Count
Majestic Light
Royal Ski
Dance Spell
Northerly
Victorian Prince
Talc
Other Notables:
Mr. Prospector - No listed stud fee, at the time he had sired 4 crops, 26 Stakes Winners from 157 foals; In his 1st 4 crops came the likes of It's In The Air, Hello Gorgeous, Fappiano, Diamond Prospect, Gold Stage, Miswaki, Stutz Blackhawk, Rare Performer, Northern Prospect, Conquistador Cielo
This was another one that floored me on stud fee:
Youth - stood for $40,000 at Gainseway; It had listed his 1st 2 crops and he had sired a whole 2 winners from 60 foals one of which was a stakes winner; He did also have 1 SW in France and 1 Stakes Placed but wow, a $40,000 stud fee; Even Ghostzapper has him beat
Vice Regent stood for a $50,000 stud fee in Canada and justifiably so; In 7 crops he had sired 151 foals, 122 starters,107 winners and 26 stakes winners
Valid Appeal stood for a Private fee and had gotten off to a slow start having sired 18 winners from 42 foals with 3 Stakes winners
One that no ones ever heard of was a horse called:
Turn To Bo by Turn To - did not start at 2 but raced 25 times at 3 and by the end of his 5 year old year had started 63 times winning 10 races (no stakes wins or placings); He did have 2 crops on the ground and had sired 30 starters from 39 foals with 16 winners, 2 Sw's and 1 Sp
He stood for $2,000 in Nebraska
Torsion by Never Bend had 20 starts at 3
Then there was a horse named Throne by Drone - 20 starts as a 2 year old (you'd be arrested for abuse if you started a 2 year old today that many times)
Even Sham on the iffa, woulda, shoulda, coulduv' note had sired 15 stakes winners from his first 5 crops so he was beating Secretariat at that time as Secretariat had 14; Riva Ridge also had 5 crops at the time and had 12 stakes winners
It's interesting going thru these old books
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I LOVE looking through old stuff like that. I think somewhere I have an old stallion register that I took a good hard look at and marveled at some of the fees. I think Jose Binn was one that I went 
because I don't think he ran for more than one year. He was very flashy though!
The other thing about that era is that most of those horses were syndicated into 40 shares so I guess there just were not a lot of seasons available on the market.
because I don't think he ran for more than one year. He was very flashy though!
The other thing about that era is that most of those horses were syndicated into 40 shares so I guess there just were not a lot of seasons available on the market.
