Officer To Korea

[zinn21]

I guess the hardboots aren't sold on Boys At Toscanova..


http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... d-in-korea

[LB]

Word is this deal was done quite a while ago, before BOYS AT TOSCONOVA came around.

[fastappy]

I noticed this comment posted on Tom Clark Bloodstock a few days ago,
"Hasta laveesta baby"

http://www.tcbloodstock.com/seasons-shares.html

I'm guessing with only 4 GSWs that probably did it, otherwise his numbers look pretty solid. He got 109 mares in 2009 (61% in foal).

Oh, .... I see where his yearlings at Keeneland sold for an average of 20k and a 17.5K stud fee (oops!).

[dublino]

He wasn't dumped it was a latteral move.

They do have some strange restaurants in Korea, hmm food for thought. (bad pun)

[madelyn]

How about this? Officer was not "dumped", he was posted to Korea...

I think that the stallion business here in KY has spun out of control and it has become pretty much impossible for most horses to succeed. Their initial stud fees are way out of whack - and an awful lot of their books have mares who are not necessarily "good" matches - but the mare comes with a clean uterine culture and a signed stud fee contract.... I wonder sometimes what gets "into" owners of some of those $2500 mares being bred to $15K stallions. Then, before, or when, that first crop doesn't set the world on fire well that's okay because someone lines up to take the horse elsewhere. In my opinion, it's just a very bad business model.

[dublino]

In my opinion, it's just a very bad business model.

Its all about greed.

New stallions books should be limited to 50 mares.
These mares should be winners and produced winners.
They should all be an A Nick.

No new stallion should stand for more than $10,000 no matter what race he has won G1, Classic whatever.

Winning races is one thing, siring horses to win races is another.

[fastappy]

You got to give to Taylor Made they know who to promote (hype) a stallion. I mean this guy stood for $40,000 in 2007. I wonder where the next War Emblem is coming from?

I don't blame Taylor Made, if people are willing to throw money at them. They know what P.T. Barnum knows!

[BargainBlueblood]

In my opinion, it's just a very bad business model.

Its all about greed.

New stallions books should be limited to 50 mares.
These mares should be winners and produced winners.
They should all be an A Nick.

No new stallion should stand for more than $10,000 no matter what race he has won G1, Classic whatever.

Winning races is one thing, siring horses to win races is another.

Not sure that unless I worked for Werk or TrueNicks, I'd be able to get wholeheartedly behind that "A Nick" rule.

[JCBloodstock]

I raised a D nick one time. He only won 2 Grade 2's and 3 Grade 3's and earned a little over $675,000;

All a nick is another statistic. I had a client one time wanting to breed a grandaughter of Roberto to Known Fact. At the time, he had 3 big stakes horses out of daughters of Roberto; What that so-called A++ nick didn't say was that one of the daughters was the Champion Two Year Old Filly In Ireland and the other 2 were both out of the same mare that was a Grade 3 Stakes Winner and both the mares had very strong female families. His mare had won a piddly anny state bred stakes race and when bred to Known Fact produced less than she was.

It's hard to base a nick just on who the broodmare sire is --- that female side and racing class has a heck of a lot to do with it. And besides that, how do you get an A+ nick on a first year stallion that has sired nothing yet ??? A nick is based on what has worked in the past, if he has no runners yet --- it's kind'of tough to do. Course, True Nicks and Werk try to make everybody think it can be done, for a fee of course.

[BargainBlueblood]

Who was your "unfortunate" D Nick? (LOL.) Would love to look at the pedigree!

[JCBloodstock]

Fancy As

[dublino]

The point I was trying to make about the A nick was that you are giving the stallion the best chance to succeed at stud by what has worked as an A nick for his sire before him, by limiting the books as well the damage is also limited to the breed if this is not the case.

Go to the bloodhorse stallion register, most stallions have free hypo matings on this.

[Tappiano]

Maybe all of the farms should do a better job in accepting mares into a stallions book, or at least be a little selective. Their primary job as a farm is to make money and be profitable so perhaps the real problem is that there is no incentive to change. At the same time the mare owners could also do a better job, the best example is Dunkirk covered 160 mares at an advertised fee of 10K, that same fee could have gotten you a PROVEN sire for less money but I guess they all expect to profit in November (what's the over/under on how many mares in foal to him are in the November sale?) and then the yearling sales. It's the new, non stakes winning sire that the breeders want so of course the proven sires get sold and shipped out.

[Affirmed1]

I was rooting for Officer to succeed. Not too many sources of tail-male In Reality left. Officer did seem to be getting runners, so I wish they had kept him in the U.S. and made more of an effort to find out what bloodlines worked best with him.

At the rate the industry is going, there won't be any diversity in the bloodlines left.

[Mahubah]

I wish even more that they'd kept him at Gainesway to start with. Taylor Made's much more oriented towards the commercial market, and a horse whose yearlings aren't selling well is going to be a goner from that place even if his runners aren't doing badly. With an unfashionable pedigree behind him, Officer was going to need some pretty flashy performances from his babies on the track to remain viable as a commercial sire, and that just hasn't happened.