War Front He's the Real Deal!

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War Front He's the Real Deal!

Postby fastappy » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:59 pm

I had hoped that War Front would have stayed at 10K for 2011, but he moved to 15K as Claiborne correctly anticipated his success. I think this horse is the "Real Deal Holyfield", and will be one of the few Danzig's with real success in North America. We'll see about Exchange Rate, soon but I have a feeling this War Front may be the top Danzig stallion in North America. Time will tell!
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Postby Hold Your Peace » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:40 am

Fertility has played a big role in Danzig sons not being more successful in the United States.

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Postby dublino » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:31 am

This is his first crop that just turned 3, right?
G1 winners so far?

A tad bit premature to be calling him the real deal.

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Postby fastappy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:48 am

dublino wrote:This is his first crop that just turned 3, right?
G1 winners so far?

A tad bit premature to be calling him the real deal.


Perhaps, but he's the leading 2nd crop sire thus far (I know it's much to early in the year, with Bernadini, Congrats, & Bluegrass Cat breathing down your neck.), and 4 stakes winners two of them graded out of 46 starters including a real contender for the derby in Soldat. Not to mention that Freakish "Factor".

I am perhaps jumping the gun but this does not seem like a Forest Camp or Posse move, I think he's going to build on this, and will get some better mares (currently 1.61 CI). I'm not knocking the aforementioned horses but they came out like gang busters and then flattened out.
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Postby Derby2004 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:30 am

Pomeroy? From a 5 k stud fee, look at what he's done. He's 2nd of the list and breathing down war fronts neck. His book is over 120 for this spring now. Imagine if he got as good of mares as war front. And his best have yet to come, considering they are late bloomers. Congrats is another version of Malibu moon. Will get you a great filly. Same with Tapit. Not too many good colts out of any of those 3. So now it's a Danzig love fest

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Postby fastappy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:26 pm

I can dig Pomeroy, but they have gotten nearly the same quality of book up to this point (Pomeroy at 1.54CI vs War Front at 1.61CI) whereas War Front is producing at 2.36 vs Pomeroy's 1.29, and yes the numbers are very skewed at this early juncture, and this may not be an accurate comparison.

I would breed to either of them, and Pomeroy is quite a bargain at 5K. Good news all around for the Danzig line, finally!
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Postby Tappiano » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:36 pm

I hope your opinion turns out to be right Fastappy :D

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Postby Derby2004 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:21 pm

I see what youre saying fastappy. But considering Pomeroy didnt come on really til the end of last year, look at his AEI this year so far. Thats whats impressing me. They are all coming out at once. The only difference between him and War Front is the development stage. War Fronts ran earlier. As a foot note, my mare Star Nurse, who is a half sister to the dam of War Front, is going to Pomeroy. Pomeroy defeated War Front in the Forego. Talk about destiny. Pomeroy at 5k vs War Front for 15k? I would rather send 3 to Pomeroy. Nothing against War Front, just think the money is better spent on Pomeroy at a value. Wont be the case next year though. He is the only horse left that is owned by Silverleaf. So if he keeps the pace hes on, might catch a van to Kentucky. And youre about to see Pomeroys foals sell for twice what they have previously

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Postby fastappy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:07 pm

Tappiano wrote:I hope your opinion turns out to be right Fastappy :D


If WF would have stayed at 10K, I would have bred to him this year. I'm guessing you got one coming! :D

Derby2004, sure wouldn't mind having that mare of yours, and I like your breeding decision as the buyers will be looking at that successful cross, and immediate family connection.

I will not be surprised if Pomeroy ends up in Kentucky in the near future either.
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Postby Tappiano » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:25 am

No, I don't have one coming but I like him and would like to see him do well. As an atypical Danzig, it is especially appealing to ME :)

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Postby FOS » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:32 am

hi fastappy

fastappy wrote:... I will not be surprised if Pomeroy ends up in Kentucky in the near future either.

If near furure means for the 2012 breeding season...I'd say that's a VERY strong possibility working toward a probability.

Pomeroy is getting a number of absolutely sensational runners.

Clearly Flashpoint (by Pomeroy) is acting like he could be a freak 8) ; and Richard Migliore didn't mince his words when he described Flashpoint as a beast.

And what about Pomeroy's son Positive Response...has anyone noticed him? He won the Cal Derby (mile and a sixteenth)...was recently shipped east and ran this past Saturday...winning the mile and a sixteenth $100k John Battaglia Memorial (at Turfway). PR was on the lead at every pole...then capped it off by drawing off to win going away by 7. And by the way he carried 122 while the 2nd placer carried 116, and the show horse carried 117. He made it look easy.

Positive Response may be a bit under the major radar (despite winning 5 of 8 starts, including 2 thirds), but I get a strong sense it might be wise to take this guy seriously.

What it seems to be boiling down to is that Pomeroy, with 4 recent/current stakes winners...2 graded (G2 that is) thus far, is proving to be one heck of a young sire.

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Postby Derby2004 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:03 am

Pomeroy is reminding more and more everyday of a young and more consistent Northern Afleet. The thing that I love about him is he is siring top runners over a mike. Show they are showing versatility. I would actually love to one try the turf. He has a high percentage of runners and a high average earnings per runner. All this from Florida mares with speed. If he got some Kentucky stamina mares, I think he could get some classic runners. As far as positive response, I think most checked him off their list after the third place in the el camino real. He is either starting in the spiral or blue grass next. I've been watching him for a while. Still waiting for rough n royal to come back around. Haven't seen him in a while. He was a decent little 2yo. As stated before, he is the last horse owned by silverleaf. So wouldn't shock me if he is in Kentucky soon. Especially if he gets a grade 1 winner this year. This crop of stallions really hasn't turned out to be half bad.

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Postby FOS » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:43 am

hi Derby2004

Derby2004 wrote:Pomeroy is reminding more and more everyday of a young and more consistent Northern Afleet. ...

Pomeroy seems to have injected a brilliance in a number of his first crop early 3-yos that I don't recall seeing from early 3-yo first-croppers by Northern Afleet.

G2 (Hutcheson Stakes) winner Flashpoint (2 for 2 and undefeated thus far) is absolutely positively brilliant (as far as I'm concerned)...G2 (Davona Dale Stakes) winner Pomeroys Pistol has exposed her brand of brilliance...and multiple (California Derby and Battaglia Memorial) stakes-winner Positive Response has shown he has a brilliance about him too, and may be a force to be reckoned with; most recently (just last Saturday) being on the lead at every pole and winning off by 7 L in the mile and a sixteenth Battaglia Memorial, and by the way carrying co-highweight of 122 and giving 6 lbs to the runner-up, and 5 pounds to the third placer in that race.

Pomeroy was a brilliant racehorse, and seems to be on track to proving his brilliance once again...this time as a sire.

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Postby Jorge » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:08 pm

Hope Exchange Rate's son XCHANGER may excel in West Virginia where he was sent for stud duties. His stud fee is not steep yet he needs good mares. :?:

XCHANGER http://www.pedigreequery.com/xchanger

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Oh Yeah, The Factor

Postby fastappy » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:22 pm

The Factor ran giant today in the Rebel Stakes going 1 & 1/16th and winning by 5 plus lengths. His 2nd Grade II. War Front, .... book now (Joking, I'm sure he booked to the max)!
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