hi guys
Which stallions do you expect would attract a "full" book of mares whose owners would be willing to PAY the FULL 2005 Advertised Stud Fee...without receiving the benefit of any discounts, commissions, "deals", special considerations, and terms & conditions etc etc etc that are more advantageous than the standing farm advertises.
Let's exclude shareholders, farm seasons, lifetime breeding rights or whatever when considering the "full" book...we're talking mare owners willing to PAY the FULL 2005 Advertised Stud Fee.
For discussion purposes let's assume that there are no fertility and/or breeding issues etc related to any of the stallions...and how about considering a "full" book (for purposes of this discussion) to be 100 mares.
For starters here's a couple to think about...how about...
Omega Code (Fla) $7,500
Chapel Royal (Ky) $10,000
Successful Appeal (Ky) $25,000
Yes It's True (Ky) $25,000
Sky Mesa (Ky) $30,000
Vindication (Ky) $60,000
Elusive Quality (Ky) $100,000
What do you think?
Should stud fees be set with commissions and/or discounts etc etc etc built in ?
What size books would you recommend if you were a stallion owner and/or manager...All Things Considered (and the stallion was not hampered or hindered by any health and/or breeding issues etc etc etc which could affect his ability to successfully cover and impregnate mares ?
Respectfully
Which stallions could attract 100 full-price customers...
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In a smaller stud fee range, I spoke with Caroline Hicks at CedarCrest Farm in Texas today. When I asked how their second year stallion Authenticate is doing, she said she expects him to be bred to a hundred mares this year.
Naturally discounts and commissions are considered in setting stud fees. The advertised fee is what brings breeders calling; if it's too high, people shy away because they figure their mare isn't good enough to justify the price. If it's too low, people shy away because they figure the stud owner thinks little of his horse's chances to be successful commercially and/or to produce quality individuals.
The optimal stud fee allows the farm to individualize the discounts and contracts, and to have plenty of mares to choose from to improve the stallion's chances. If the farm has someone versed in pedigree research, they can pull in even lesser mares who fit genetically, not just the "big names", who might not.
Naturally discounts and commissions are considered in setting stud fees. The advertised fee is what brings breeders calling; if it's too high, people shy away because they figure their mare isn't good enough to justify the price. If it's too low, people shy away because they figure the stud owner thinks little of his horse's chances to be successful commercially and/or to produce quality individuals.
The optimal stud fee allows the farm to individualize the discounts and contracts, and to have plenty of mares to choose from to improve the stallion's chances. If the farm has someone versed in pedigree research, they can pull in even lesser mares who fit genetically, not just the "big names", who might not.
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FOS wrote:hi Derby2004
My understanding is that Omega Code is expected to cover 150+ mares...and is one of those rare young Florida stallions that is attracting some mares from Ky.
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As he should in my opinion. An amazing pedigree and a talented runner. His pedigree truly deserves a deep look and consideration by any mare owner who wants "classy maybe even classic" speed. His get should be extremely versatile.
I know Sky Mesa's book filled quickly and at full prices. From what I understand, no more entries into Tapit's book either. At 15k, I think he's a real good bet for breeders to sell.
Anyone see Anasheed or Alajwad in person? I cant help but think they'll recieve big books in Fl.
Alajwad I've seen. Very nice looking horse, as you'd expect from a $5.5 million sales yearling, but puts me more in mind of his broodmare sire Affirmed than his sire Storm Cat, particularly through the head, neck, and shoulders. He isn't as powerful behind as a lot of Storm Cats though he isn't weedy or weak there; part of the appearance of his being lighter behind is created by a deep chest. He looks more like a staying type than most Storm Cats do. He appeared to me to toe out slightly on the right fore and to flip his left forefoot out slightly at the walk.
He should be doubly attractive, by the way, because of the stud fee arrangement for Lou-Roe Farm -- the fee isn't due until your foal has lived 30 days.
He should be doubly attractive, by the way, because of the stud fee arrangement for Lou-Roe Farm -- the fee isn't due until your foal has lived 30 days.
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[quote="FOS"]hi Derby2004
My understanding is that Omega Code is expected to cover 150+ mares...and is one of those rare young Florida stallions that is attracting some mares from Ky.
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He may well cover over 150 mares; however, they arent from mare owners paying the full price. One hundred of the mares will be from share holders, as each share entitled the owner to breed 2 mares.
My understanding is that Omega Code is expected to cover 150+ mares...and is one of those rare young Florida stallions that is attracting some mares from Ky.
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He may well cover over 150 mares; however, they arent from mare owners paying the full price. One hundred of the mares will be from share holders, as each share entitled the owner to breed 2 mares.
hi halo
You wrote "He (Omega Code) may well cover over 150 mares; however, they arent from mare owners paying the full price. One hundred of the mares will be from share holders, as each share entitled the owner to breed 2 mares."
halo...I don't recall anyone (including me) saying that wasn't the case. The number 150 was simply a response to Derby2004 who referenced that Omega Code (and another stallion) are each "booked to over 100."
If you go back and read the original hypothetical premise you will see that it asks "Which stallions do you expect WOULD attract a "full" book of mares whose owners would be willing to PAY the FULL 2005 Advertised Stud Fee...without receiving the benefit of any discounts, commissions, "deals", special considerations, and terms & conditions etc etc etc that are more advantageous than the standing farm advertises.
The hypo goes on to state "Let's EXCLUDE shareholders, farm seasons, lifetime breeding rights or whatever when considering the "full" book...we're talking mare owners willing to PAY the FULL 2005 Advertised Stud Fee."
As a result of the premise I included Omega Code on a list which includes some stallions "to think about" as possibilities...that WOULD attract at least 100 mares whose owners WOULD be willing to PAY the FULL 2005 advertised stud fee.
As a matter of interest...I cannot recall the last time it seemed so difficult...so early on...to get a season to a first year Florida stallion. Something may open up, but I suggest that Omega Code has been extremely difficult (which may be an understatement) to get a contract to for months. And you may be aware how quickly he was syndicated...and that many prospective buyers were apparently "shut out."
Omega Code has apparently attracted rare attention and support...very early on. Quite impressive...WOW.
Best to you.
Respectfully
You wrote "He (Omega Code) may well cover over 150 mares; however, they arent from mare owners paying the full price. One hundred of the mares will be from share holders, as each share entitled the owner to breed 2 mares."
halo...I don't recall anyone (including me) saying that wasn't the case. The number 150 was simply a response to Derby2004 who referenced that Omega Code (and another stallion) are each "booked to over 100."
If you go back and read the original hypothetical premise you will see that it asks "Which stallions do you expect WOULD attract a "full" book of mares whose owners would be willing to PAY the FULL 2005 Advertised Stud Fee...without receiving the benefit of any discounts, commissions, "deals", special considerations, and terms & conditions etc etc etc that are more advantageous than the standing farm advertises.
The hypo goes on to state "Let's EXCLUDE shareholders, farm seasons, lifetime breeding rights or whatever when considering the "full" book...we're talking mare owners willing to PAY the FULL 2005 Advertised Stud Fee."
As a result of the premise I included Omega Code on a list which includes some stallions "to think about" as possibilities...that WOULD attract at least 100 mares whose owners WOULD be willing to PAY the FULL 2005 advertised stud fee.
As a matter of interest...I cannot recall the last time it seemed so difficult...so early on...to get a season to a first year Florida stallion. Something may open up, but I suggest that Omega Code has been extremely difficult (which may be an understatement) to get a contract to for months. And you may be aware how quickly he was syndicated...and that many prospective buyers were apparently "shut out."
Omega Code has apparently attracted rare attention and support...very early on. Quite impressive...WOW.
Best to you.
Respectfully
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When a horse is booked full in great part to share holder mares, its very difficult to ascertain if he would have as full a book at full price. Im sure many of the current shareholders would not be breeding two mares and paying full price if they didnt have a share; part of the interest in the shares was the fact that mares would be bred at far less than the farm season price. Its apples and oranges. The same happened with Tiger Ridge, his first few years at stud were mainly supported by shareholder mares. Now that the shares only allow 1 mare per season, he's far easier to get to. To my way of thinking, they would have been better off allowing 2 seasons per share at least thru this year. That way, when a horse doesnt hit big, which very few do, they will still have support for the stallion at least thru one or two racing seasons.
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if you go to www.ThoroughbredReview.com , they have Successful Appeal listed as the best value in the country for horses standing between $17,500 and $25,000.
What do you guys think of them listing Victory Gallop as a worst value?
What do you guys think of them listing Victory Gallop as a worst value?