I have a friend that works with this stallion, any opinions on him. Ageecee do you know anything about his babies? There was a little information on him on this site, but I was wondering if he's produced anything and just curious what his babies are really like.
His pedigree reads almost like a who's who of racing. You don't see Tim Tam in too many pedigress at least from what I've seen.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/secret+claim
I'm just being curious about what type crosses he would do best with. And on paper he seems like a good deal for $1250
Thanks
Christy
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question regarding secret claim
"The rewards, whether for winning or for losing, offer almost irresistible temptations to race a two-year-old more times than are good for them." John Hay Whitney at the annual testimonial dinner in October 1963 for the Thoroughbred Club of America
Hmmm. Full brother to Gone West, Lion Cavern, etc., and half-brother to many more, actually Tim Tam is in quite a lot of pedigrees thanks to Secrettame... But he is 20 and hasn't produced a big horse yet. He retired after 7 starts with $66K in earnings, I would pass.
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This stallion stood at McDermott's Ranch here in Texas, near Magnolia, and then for one season he stood at the farm where I board, returning to McDermott's for at least one or two more seasons at stud I believe.
I recall him as an all over dark bay, nearly black and a very muscular type with clean, tight legs, very short cannon bones. Wide thruough the chest and round of barrel/girth. He had large, keen eyes set in a finely chiseled, almost dished head. He was alert and attentive to his environs. There was nothing lanky or rangey about him and nothing laid back either - rather he suggested pent up energy just standing still. Mind you I did not inspect him with any attention - these were just my impressions of him from casual observation while he was at the farm. I also recall that he was quite popular and must have seen a fair number of mares, at least early in his career, judging by the ones that were being foaled out prior to being bred to him at McDermotts that first season he was at stud. The farm was just packed with mares ready to foal and those with brand new foals at their sides that first year he was at stud here. Many returned to breed to him again the following year.
He can be a bit of a savage - I know of one handler that was bit - and bit very hard - by him....and not while being bred either. This handler, an experienced horseman, was just standing him for a typical stallion inspection when Secret Claim launched his attack with no apparent provocation at all.
In the breeding shed he was a handful - an aggresive breeder - but not impossible to handle. Still one to be very careful with. He was very noisy - you could hear him from the moment the groom went to get him from his stall in the stallion barn. And he could put the 'fear of god' in you with his energy and intensity of purpose if you've not had any prior experience with breeding stallions. While mindful of his charges in the breeding shed you had to be ready to breed him as he was only minimally patient and took quick umbruge with his handlers at any undue delays in being able to mount the mare. He was definitely not a stallion to be bred by inexperienced or unprepared staff. While at the farm where I board he eventually seemed to relax and settle down a bit. Before that, when he first arrived he definitely thought every van or trailer that pulled through the gates was bringing him a new mare to be bred and boy did he start screaming and trumpeting his presense and kicking his stall walls in the stallion barn. Really set the other resident stallions into a tizzy with his antics. Ultimately he was separated from the others in a paddock with run-in shed that gave him room to roam a bit . That seemed to take the edge off of his personality somewhat.
Can't say that I've seen a lot of Secret Claims on the track but the foals I saw at the farm were of nice enough type and again - several mare owners bred back to him after seeing what he got for them. Glad to hear he's in La and doing OK. NICE pedigree on him and a decent physical type. I'd think twice of breeding a tempremental mare to him though.
I recall him as an all over dark bay, nearly black and a very muscular type with clean, tight legs, very short cannon bones. Wide thruough the chest and round of barrel/girth. He had large, keen eyes set in a finely chiseled, almost dished head. He was alert and attentive to his environs. There was nothing lanky or rangey about him and nothing laid back either - rather he suggested pent up energy just standing still. Mind you I did not inspect him with any attention - these were just my impressions of him from casual observation while he was at the farm. I also recall that he was quite popular and must have seen a fair number of mares, at least early in his career, judging by the ones that were being foaled out prior to being bred to him at McDermotts that first season he was at stud. The farm was just packed with mares ready to foal and those with brand new foals at their sides that first year he was at stud here. Many returned to breed to him again the following year.
He can be a bit of a savage - I know of one handler that was bit - and bit very hard - by him....and not while being bred either. This handler, an experienced horseman, was just standing him for a typical stallion inspection when Secret Claim launched his attack with no apparent provocation at all.
In the breeding shed he was a handful - an aggresive breeder - but not impossible to handle. Still one to be very careful with. He was very noisy - you could hear him from the moment the groom went to get him from his stall in the stallion barn. And he could put the 'fear of god' in you with his energy and intensity of purpose if you've not had any prior experience with breeding stallions. While mindful of his charges in the breeding shed you had to be ready to breed him as he was only minimally patient and took quick umbruge with his handlers at any undue delays in being able to mount the mare. He was definitely not a stallion to be bred by inexperienced or unprepared staff. While at the farm where I board he eventually seemed to relax and settle down a bit. Before that, when he first arrived he definitely thought every van or trailer that pulled through the gates was bringing him a new mare to be bred and boy did he start screaming and trumpeting his presense and kicking his stall walls in the stallion barn. Really set the other resident stallions into a tizzy with his antics. Ultimately he was separated from the others in a paddock with run-in shed that gave him room to roam a bit . That seemed to take the edge off of his personality somewhat.
Can't say that I've seen a lot of Secret Claims on the track but the foals I saw at the farm were of nice enough type and again - several mare owners bred back to him after seeing what he got for them. Glad to hear he's in La and doing OK. NICE pedigree on him and a decent physical type. I'd think twice of breeding a tempremental mare to him though.
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
Jellac thanks for the detailed description on him. My friend said he was abit of a handful to handle. I haven't been out there yet to see him.
I was just curious about him and wonmdering if anyone had seen what kind of babies he has thrown.
Jellac thanks for the detailed description on him. My friend said he was abit of a handful to handle. I haven't been out there yet to see him.
I was just curious about him and wonmdering if anyone had seen what kind of babies he has thrown.
"The rewards, whether for winning or for losing, offer almost irresistible temptations to race a two-year-old more times than are good for them." John Hay Whitney at the annual testimonial dinner in October 1963 for the Thoroughbred Club of America