Mr. Livingston/El Prado - what lines would be the best cross

[ruffianlover]

Looking for advice on a good cross with Mr. Livingston, who is an El Prado son. ALthough Mr. Livingston has not had a foal crop yet, El Prado has an established breeding record. Thanks!

[Keith]

What have been some successful El Prado crosses

1. Medaglia D'Oro by El Prado-Cappucino Bay by Bailjumper 2nd dam by Silent Screen(by Prince John) winner of $5,754,720
2. Kitten's Joy by El Prado-Kitten's First by Lear Fan 2nd dam by L'Enjoleur 3rd dam by Prince John winner of $1,875,791
3. Borrego by El Prado-Sweet as Honey by Strike The Gold 2nd dam by Raise a Cup 4x4 Raise a Native winner of $852,090
4. Artie Schiller by El Prado-Hidden Light by Majestic Light 2nd dam by Nantallah winner of $880,853
5. Senor Swinger by El Prado-Smooth Swinger by Kris S. 2nd dam by Sea Lawyer winner of $886,228
6. Nite Dreamer by El Prado-A Dream Above by Great Above 2nd dam by Riva Ridge winner of $1,149,788
7. Chindi by El Prado-Rousing by Alydar 2nd dam by Wajima winner of $1,000,838
8. El Prado Essence by El Prado-Quadrahope by Quadratic 2nd dam by Bold Forbes winner of $890,281
9. El Soprano by El Prado-Pat Wolsh by Allen's Prospect 2nd dam by Americo(by Dr. Fager) winner of Summer S. (CAN-Gr. II)
10. Sweet and Ready by El Prado-Sweet and Steady by Steady Growth 2nd dam by Nashua winner of Princess S.-Gr. II
11. El Cielo by El Prado-Only Above by Great Above 2nd dam by Chieftain winner of $724,729
12. Timo by El Prado-Elocat's Burglar by Criminal Type 2nd dam by Elocutionist Multiple Grade III winner
13. Lusty Latin by El Prado-Scarlet Ann by Afleet 2nd dam by Hidden Treasure $412,804
14. Pro Prado by El Prado-Mama's Pro by Proper Reality 2nd dam by Conquistador Cielo 3rd Arkansas Derby and 3rd Rebel S. to Smarty Jones
15. Mi Pradera by El Prado-Cutty Belle by Cutlass 2nd dam by Barbizon winner of $651, 452
16. The Happy Hopper by El Prado-Village Dancer by Mythical Ruler 2nd dam by Dancing Champ winner of $801,017
17. Quimera by El Prado-Current Fling by Sabona 2nd dam by Jungle Savage winner of $324,662
18. Swingin On Ice by El Prado-Swingin Nickle by Plugged Nickle 2nd dam by Imasmartee winner of Beaumont S.-Gr. II
19. Spanish Sun by El Prado-Shining Bright by Rainbow Quest 2nd dam by Ile De Bourbon winner of Ribblesdale S. (ENG-Gr. II)
20. Shire's Ende by El Prado-Shared Reflections by Pursuit 2nd dam by
T.V. Commercial won $461,688
21. Shaconage by El Prado-Carita Tostada by Gallantsky 2nd dam by Lead The Way winner of $503,712
22. Thatsusintheolbean by El Prado-Belfast Becky by Overskate 2nd dam by Vice Regent winner of $452,082
23. Air Rocket by El Prado-Runaway Royalty by Runaway Groom 2nd dam by Hawaii winner of $406,328
24. Fort Prado by El Prado-Fort Pond by Fortunate Prospect 2nd dam by Raja Baba winner of 3 stakes.
25. Julies Prize by El Prado-Julie Miss by Miswaki 2nd dam by Neater winner of $431,741

As as stallions I would look for mares by

Great Above
Holy Bull
Bailjumper
Skip Trial
Skip Away
Lear Fan
Kris S.
Prized
You and I
Strike The Gold
Criminal Type
Alysheba
Benchmark
Turkoman
Alydar
Allen's Prospect
Two Punch
Smoke Glacken
Maria's Mon
Lion Hearted
Kingmambo
Nureyev
Miesque's Son
Atticus
Proper Reality
Fit To Fight
Black Tie Affair
Silver Deputy
Carson City
Awesome Again
Elusive Quality
Northern Afleet


I would look for bloodlines with Nureyev, Chieftain, Aspidistra,Mr. Prospector, Buckpasser, Alydar, Miesque,Northern Dancer, Prince John and so on

Keith

[llbean]

Looking for advice on a good cross with Mr. Livingston, who is an El Prado son. ALthough Mr. Livingston has not had a foal crop yet, El Prado has an established breeding record. Thanks!

Hi RuffianLover,

Keith's advice is all over the map as usual and many of his ideas (such as Nureyev) are not advisible in my opinion.

Nureyev's grandson Kingmambo or his full brother Miesque's Son might make a lot of sense though even though Nureyev through other sources would be a extremely foolhardy idea. (Note that fully 60% of the GIWs with Sadlers Wells/Nureyev get the Nureyev through Kignmambo and 20% get the Nureyev through Kingmambo's full brother Miesque's Son.)

But the best strains you can look for with mare are probably Lear Fan and/or Gone West.

Lear Fan has shown a liking for El Prado in his BEST foal of either sex: Kitten's Joy. And Gone West has shown an important affinity with El Prado's sire Sadlers Wells in the GIW 2YO and English Derby (GI) Winning 3YO Motivator (very significantly the FIRST GIW for Gone West as a broodmare sire) and he's also shown an important affinity with El Prado's damsire Sir Ivor in the one time Wrold Record Holder for One Mile and 100,000 stallion Elusive Quality and the Multiple European Champion 2YO and 3YO Xaar.

Also, Vaguely Noble (on Mr Livingston's damside) has shown an affinty for No Robbery (who's probably best know now as the damsire of Montbrook).

-llbean

[halo]

No Robbery (who's probably best know now as the damsire of Montbrook).

What does that mean?

[llbean]

No Robbery (who's probably best know now as the damsire of Montbrook).

What does that mean?

"Who's probably best known now as the damsire of Montbrook" means essentially that Montbrook is the strongest source of No Robbery nowadays what with Cat Thief dissapointing so much as a sire.

-llbean