New Stallion

[Roguelet]

In addition to our own stallion Indy Mood, we will be standing a second stallion for the 2006 breeding season. We have actually bred to this stallion before and have two 2YOs by him, but I haven't done any real "reasearch" into him, and am curious as to what some of our resident experts have to say about his bloodlines, what type of mare he might cross best with, etc.

His first crop are 3YOs this year and his crops to date have been extremely small... I think he's only had one who's started at this point... so there's not much to go by yet as far as progeny goes. I expect we'll see a couple of them this Fall. I figure if we're going to stand him, I'd better start learning more about him!

Anyway, any opinions on bloodlines, crosses, etc. are welcomed. The stallion's name is Colonel Bradley (Rubiano - Secret Imperatrice, by Secretariat,) he is in the database. I am putting together a page on him for our website, but it's not done yet so there's nothing there about him at this time.

Thoughts?

[louis finochio]

Check Rubiano sons and see how many of his sons have been successful as stallions.

Look at Rubiano's progeny and see what sire lines he has crossed with to produce those superior runners.

Look into Colonel Bradley eyes and see if you can find lines and peaks and valleys in the iris surrounding the pupil, as this is the breeders eye.

When the iris is smooth with no lines visible that is a racing eye.

[Sam]

Look into Colonel Bradley eyes and see if you can find lines and peaks and valleys in the iris surrounding the pupil, as this is the breeders eye.

When the iris is smooth with no lines visible that is a racing eye.

[Gerry]

Congrats on the new boy Rougelet!

[onalimb]

congrats, I bet I know a boy called indy that is going to be alittle jealous.

[Mahubah]

Just on a rather cursory look, mares from the Storm Cat, In Reality, Seattle Slew, and Cure the Blues male lines might make a decent starting point. Waquoit is a particularly interesting potential cross as he is t/f to Parlo, also ancestress of Colonel Bradley. The caution note is that the pairing of the full sibs Relaunch/Moon Glitter has not been overly impressive so far, possibly because it is prone to bringing out too many IR leg faults, but with Waquoit the sibs would be 4x3. Most of the poor results so far have been with pairing the sibs 3x3 or closer and/or with using Relaunch-line sires to mares carrying Moon Glitter, so this may be workable provided any Waquoit daughters brought in are a good conformation match for Colonel Bradley; if they've thrown a correct foal or two already, so much the better.

You could also try bringing in mares carrying Ack Ack or Tom Rolfe, both of whom trace to the same t/f line as does Sham, second damsire of Colonel Bradley.

Rubiano has not had many sons to go to stud, but I would keep a close eye on Burning Roma, who stood his first season this last year in Florida. He has another G1 winner at stud in Argentina -- his name is Impression -- but it may be more difficult to get much information on this guy.

[Roguelet]

Thanks, M... informative as always. Now I have something to look for. It would be interesting to see what mares he's been bred to so far... there haven't been many but it would be interesting to check them out.

I hope Indy doesn't get jealous! He's been a real pain when he's been standing places where there are other stallions, but for the past couple of years he's been the undisputed "King of the Hill" around here and he's been a real sweetheart. We're putting the new guy AWAY from Indy, so hopefully he won't get his feelings hurt too much... maybe, with any luck, he won't even notice!

[madelyn]

Oh, Roguelet... Bad Boy Atta still hollers when a trailer comes in, eyes all mares with a very proprietary air and gets mad as hell when they go to Rocking Trick... you are in for some fun now... first boy is like firstborn, they never get over being the "only one" ..

[Roguelet]

I know what you mean. The people we bought Indy from also stood another stallion, and they said he would do the same thing... hear a trailer and get all excited, then get REALLY mad if the mare went to the other stallion! However, he was also basically kept in a stall there away from other horses and I think that contributed a bit to his attitude. Here he is turned out all the time and shares his paddock with a couple of mares... he's MUCH happier this way, so maybe this won't bother him too much. I'm hoping that by keeping them far from eachother, not making them share a barn, etc. that they will both be happy campers.

As for Colonel Bradley, I did put together a page for him on our website, so anyone who's interested can go check that out... I also added some info. to Indy Mood's page (thanks, Bill!) for anyone who wants to look at that as well. Maybe someday I'll get around to updating the pictures... http://www.atalanta-acres.com

[Roguelet]

You could also try bringing in mares carrying Ack Ack or Tom Rolfe, both of whom trace to the same t/f line as does Sham, second damsire of Colonel Bradley.

Just as a pedigree exercise, what do you think of crossing him with that mare in the buying/selling section, the daughter of Ack Ack... Ack Acks Squaw? (Don't even know if she's still available, but I saw the Ack Ack and I happen to personally like the bottom of her pedigree as well.) Do you think that would be a decent match?

[Mahubah]

Just as an academic exercise, this is pretty interesting. Secretariat (BM sire of Colonel Bradley) and Fast Turn (dam of Ack Ack) are rather similarly bred; they are both out of *Princequillo mares, and their respective paternal grandsires are the 3/4 brothers *Nasrullah and *Royal Charger. Step forward to Secret Imperatrice and Ack Ack, and you now have the full sib pair Sequoia and Cherokee Rose added in. Some nice line breeding here between the dam of the sire and the sire of the dam.

Les Brinsfield (the pedigree person behind G1 winners Yes It's True and Gavea) would probably find this pretty interesting for another reason; it represents a first-time pairing between two other siblings, Man o' War and Masda (t/f ancestress of Prove Out). Colonel Bradley has a fair number of MOW strains floating around in his ancestry; Ack Acks Squaw has none (I think - could possibly have missed something!) but has Masda. I ordinarily don't give a whole lot of credence to the influence of ancestors eight or nine generations back unless there is either a strong line breeding pattern or evidence that certain traits have indeed been passed forward, but Les is big on this "first return" idea and he's certainly got more credentials as a pedigree advisor than I do.

[daraabah]

Hello Roguelet,

You may be interested to read Alan Porters Patterns of Greatness 1 for some clue re Colonel Bradley. In his analysis of Nijinsky, he says he was responsible for planning Rubianos pedigree. He says the basis of it was, '(among other things)' to send a daughter of Nijinsky to Fappiano to 'benefit from the Free America/Flaming Top connection'.

Best of luck with him.........

Daraabah

[charle]

Roguelet : Is C. Bradley the horse i saw running out of aiken for Cot

Cambell? If so he looks a great conformation part.

Charle

[Roguelet]

I'm sorry, I have to plead ignorance here. I don't know who his trainer was. I know he raced in NY a lot, but don't know where else he raced. Maybe someone with access to full racing reports can tell us? He's a big gray boy, does that match what you saw?