Rahy or Point Given
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Rahy or Point Given
If you were to breed who would you breed to Rahy or Point Given it will be a foal share .
I'll be an echo of Halo's post: there aren't too many stallions less alike physically than the two named. I think the only similarity is that they are both chestnuts. Rahy is small and sires small. Point Given is around 17 hands and the few PGs I've seen looked large and clunky.
Just curious but, how did you decide on those two?
Just curious but, how did you decide on those two?
charlotte augusta the dam of j.d.'s first call is the dam of claremont the first stakes place winner for point given , linda at three chimneys is on the rahy kick , jd is only 15'1 herself so I'm looking to breeding to big stallion , point given is 16'3 so might work , just kicking things around getting lots of offers on foal share's .
Live Foal %
One consideration in comparing the two stallions is the number of live foals per mares covered. I realize there are many variables not all relating to the stallions but in this particular case you have two stallions from the same farm so most of the care for both the mares covered and managing the stallions would be the same. In 2004 Point Given covered 95 mares with a reported 58 live foals (61% or 6 out of every 10 covered). In 2004 Rahy covered 79 mares with 61 live foals reported(77% or slightly better than 7 & 1/2 per 10 covered). The 16% difference actually means that for every 6 mares covered Rahy had one more live foal. I like Rahy's odds the best.
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I respectfully submit that Point Given's first runners are juveniles. Calling him overpriced and overhyped is a fair assessment, but at this point calling him a proven flop is a bit premature.
Rahy is a class act, really nice sire, but if you are breeding to sell and you have a small mare, the market will be very harsh on your foal.
Rahy is a class act, really nice sire, but if you are breeding to sell and you have a small mare, the market will be very harsh on your foal.
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hi wen8t
In general...if it's a choice between Rahy and Point Given, and (for conversation's sake) it's a 50/50 foal share (you didn't indicate the terms and/or conditions) to whichever of the two you choose, and there are no other stallion choices...it's Rahy (as far as I'm concerned) unless there is some resounding physical shortcoming and/or weakness (or possibly even a pedigree concern) which might necessarily exclude Rahy as the choice and elevate PG as the choice (example: if the mare was 15HH and very lightly-made, but still quite correct...PG might be the stallion worthy of selection...but if that same 15HH mare was significantly back at the knee, it might be best to breed her to Rahy despite her diminutive size and light structure).
Based on the many Rahys I've seen through the years and the numerous Point Givens I've seen in recent years...it seems that the chances of getting a marketable and potentially race-worthy horse are significantly greater with Rahy than with Point Given.
Point Given might prove to be an okay sire...but for now he certainly hasn't done much to capture the imagination (either at the sales or at the racetrack). There seems to be a palpable lack of confidence in him at the sales...although arguably a few nice runners might correct that quickly.
I've seen many Rahys. Most were average size or a touch smaller...but there seems to be a market (occasionally willing to pay serious money) for a well made one...even if it's a bit smaller than average. Rahy is what he is and arguably is accepted for that.
PG is what he is but arguably leaves many cold...at least so far.
Respectfully
In general...if it's a choice between Rahy and Point Given, and (for conversation's sake) it's a 50/50 foal share (you didn't indicate the terms and/or conditions) to whichever of the two you choose, and there are no other stallion choices...it's Rahy (as far as I'm concerned) unless there is some resounding physical shortcoming and/or weakness (or possibly even a pedigree concern) which might necessarily exclude Rahy as the choice and elevate PG as the choice (example: if the mare was 15HH and very lightly-made, but still quite correct...PG might be the stallion worthy of selection...but if that same 15HH mare was significantly back at the knee, it might be best to breed her to Rahy despite her diminutive size and light structure).
Based on the many Rahys I've seen through the years and the numerous Point Givens I've seen in recent years...it seems that the chances of getting a marketable and potentially race-worthy horse are significantly greater with Rahy than with Point Given.
Point Given might prove to be an okay sire...but for now he certainly hasn't done much to capture the imagination (either at the sales or at the racetrack). There seems to be a palpable lack of confidence in him at the sales...although arguably a few nice runners might correct that quickly.
I've seen many Rahys. Most were average size or a touch smaller...but there seems to be a market (occasionally willing to pay serious money) for a well made one...even if it's a bit smaller than average. Rahy is what he is and arguably is accepted for that.
PG is what he is but arguably leaves many cold...at least so far.
Respectfully
hi wen8t
In general...if it's a choice between Rahy and Point Given, and (for conversation's sake) it's a 50/50 foal share (you didn't indicate the terms and/or conditions) to whichever of the two you choose, and there are no other stallion choices...it's Rahy (as far as I'm concerned) unless there is some resounding physical shortcoming and/or weakness (or possibly even a pedigree concern) which might necessarily exclude Rahy as the choice and elevate PG as the choice (example: if the mare was 15HH and very lightly-made, but still quite correct...PG might be the stallion worthy of selection...but if that same 15HH mare was significantly back at the knee, it might still be best to breed her to Rahy despite her diminutive size and light structure).
Based on the many Rahys I've seen through the years and the numerous Point Givens I've seen in recent years...it seems that the chances of getting a marketable and potentially race-worthy horse are greater with Rahy than with Point Given.
Point Given might prove to be an okay sire (maybe even better than that)...but for now he certainly hasn't done much to capture the imagination (either at the sales or at the racetrack). There seems to be a palpable lack of confidence in him at the sales...although arguably a few nice runners might correct that quickly.
I've seen many Rahys. Most were average size or a touch smaller...but there seems to be a market (occasionally willing to pay serious money) for a well made one...even if it's a bit smaller than average. Rahy is what he is and arguably is accepted for that.
PG is what he is but arguably seems to leave many cold...at least so far.
Respectfully
In general...if it's a choice between Rahy and Point Given, and (for conversation's sake) it's a 50/50 foal share (you didn't indicate the terms and/or conditions) to whichever of the two you choose, and there are no other stallion choices...it's Rahy (as far as I'm concerned) unless there is some resounding physical shortcoming and/or weakness (or possibly even a pedigree concern) which might necessarily exclude Rahy as the choice and elevate PG as the choice (example: if the mare was 15HH and very lightly-made, but still quite correct...PG might be the stallion worthy of selection...but if that same 15HH mare was significantly back at the knee, it might still be best to breed her to Rahy despite her diminutive size and light structure).
Based on the many Rahys I've seen through the years and the numerous Point Givens I've seen in recent years...it seems that the chances of getting a marketable and potentially race-worthy horse are greater with Rahy than with Point Given.
Point Given might prove to be an okay sire (maybe even better than that)...but for now he certainly hasn't done much to capture the imagination (either at the sales or at the racetrack). There seems to be a palpable lack of confidence in him at the sales...although arguably a few nice runners might correct that quickly.
I've seen many Rahys. Most were average size or a touch smaller...but there seems to be a market (occasionally willing to pay serious money) for a well made one...even if it's a bit smaller than average. Rahy is what he is and arguably is accepted for that.
PG is what he is but arguably seems to leave many cold...at least so far.
Respectfully
Personally I would breed to Rahy in a heartbeat, but this may be solely the fact that currently I have some mares that I would love to breed to him 
and the fact I never really took a 'shine' to Point Given, and that he has pretty much flopped with the first crop which I believe had a decent amount of useful mares bred, which is cause for a hmm.
But if the mare would match to either I'm pretty old fashioned anyway and would go for Rahy tried and tested year in year out and come out not spectacular but very useful
and the fact I never really took a 'shine' to Point Given, and that he has pretty much flopped with the first crop which I believe had a decent amount of useful mares bred, which is cause for a hmm.
But if the mare would match to either I'm pretty old fashioned anyway and would go for Rahy tried and tested year in year out and come out not spectacular but very useful