Pedigree Query

Sold at Keeneland for 120K this seems like a bargain as he is a winning brother to Tiznow.

I hope Tizbud makes it as a stallion, as we need an outcross (Fair Play) for all those (Phalaris) mares.

I've noticed lots of posts lately about (Phalaris) mares. I am a very new TB owner, and wondered what that meant. Is my mare one of them?

Kiss My Asterisk

We have had conversations about her in the past, and I'm not trying to relive those, just figure out what this (Phalaris) means... without pulling out all of my hair.

lazyfranch wrote:I've noticed lots of posts lately about (Phalaris) mares. I am a very new TB owner, and wondered what that meant. Is my mare one of them?

Kiss My Asterisk

We have had conversations about her in the past, and I'm not trying to relive those, just figure out what this (Phalaris) means... without pulling out all of my hair.

There's a handful of people who are focused on specific stallions and point to them (or in this case, multiple crosses of them) as being the end all be all reason the breed is in decline.

I am not at all as bothered by the number of Phalaris crosses a horse has as Louis is. It HAPPENS. Phalaris was a hugely influencial sire.

So was Eclipse.

I don't see a lot of people pointing the thousands of crosses of Eclipse a horse has as the reason for it being a cripple.

I think the problems we see today are more due to production and training practices as opposed to the overuse of any one line. While lots of inbreeding can cause problems, I think blaming Phalaris solely is rash. He is far back in most pedigrees now and exerts less influence. We are in an area when the athlete has been sacrificed for profit. Gone are the weathly family operations who breed purely for sport. Today its about making money and producing a saleable asset. Nobody wants to campaign top horses heavily just for sport. They want to win a few big ones and then get the stallion money or the big sales price on a mare. Times have changed and one must adjust to the current market or walk away all together. And thats all I have to say about that ...

Lazyfranch,

To answer your question, yes, Kiss My Asterisk (love the name) traces directly to Phalaris through both her sire's sireline (or tail male) and her dam's sireline. In fact, she has 7 crosses of Phalaris in 10 generations (8S x 8S x 8S x 6S x 7S x 7D x 7D). This, however, only amounts to a little over 5% of his genetics...in theory anyway. Actually, with multiple crosses of his descendants -- Nearco, Royal Charger and Nasrullah, in particular -- his influence is much stronger. (Nearco is the grandson of Phalaris, and Nasrullah and Royal Charger are sons of Nearco.) But that's not at all unusual to see in a pedigree.

What I keyed in on is the 47 crosses of St. Simon in 10 generations through 17 different individuals: 10 sons and 7 daughters. That's something I (personally) look for as a positive in a pedigree, even though that's only 7% of her genetics (again in theory) it represents a large number of individuals of both sexes that carry his superior genes (IMHO).

Hope this helped answer your question.

Laurie

So who bought Tizbud?

hi Mahubah

The purchaser of Tizbud (Keeneland Hip #3161) as indicated on the results sheet (for a price of $120,000) was N W Management.

Respectfully

Probably headed west.

I believe thats Japan.

I believe that's CA.

It's basically back to the lady in California who raced him.

I saw him several times in his stall when he was still racing and he is a looker. Also very calm.

I'm sorry to see him go to CA. I would have liked for him to have stayed in KY.

He was in Florida for 2005 but basically got very little opportunity as the farm sold out from under him in March. I saw him at the Jubilee Farm stallion show in January and he is indeed a beauty, with a charming disposition to boot. May make someone an excellent sport/show horse sire if he doesn't pan out as a racing sire. Hope he's headed for California rather than Japan.

Hey everyone, I haven't posted for quite a little bit! Life has been crazy, seriously.

However, I was actually looking for a thread on Tizbud because I saw him go through the ring at Keeneland and I was VERY impressed. Seemed like he could actually be profitable with that purchase price. Very physically impressive!

I didn't get to see him before the ring (everything looks good under those lights) but I wish I would have. Although I knew he was going through the sale, I wouldn't have expected him in such a late book. I believe I had just gotten back from looking at (crazy) Kris S. mares. (Loved hip 3517, only sold for $7.7k... little offset in right fore, but more good than bad much better than the other Kris S. mare I saw... awful fetlock problems who sold for $12k... I'm sure you could see ankles like that for free).

~Adrienne

If anyone is still interested in Tizbud, he will now be standing at Harris Farm in Coalinga, California -- home of his sire, Cee's Tizzy.