Pedigree Query

I'd like to make a list of stallions that are known to sometimes pass on soundness issues.

Example: Raise A Native

The Valid Appeal line is said to pass on small feet. Not necessarily bad bad feet, but small.

The Unbridled line passes on a crooked front end (to varying degrees). With careful management you can get yourself a hell of a racehorse, but you're also very likely to get an expensive horse that never makes it to the track.

Unbridled's also tend to grow very large and usually have problems because of that.

Storm Cat's usually have bad knees.

Sadler's Wells - long pasterns

AP Indy and Pulpit offspring tend to be quite fragile as well

Fragile in what way?

Fragile?

Derring: Go to stallionregister.com and click on stats for stallions. Then Divide the total starters into the total starts it will give you the stallions progeny lifetime starts.

Example: Valid Appeal had progeny that made 9,904 lifetime starts from 413 lifetime starters, when you divide 9,904 into 413 it equals 24 average lifetime starts.

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But what confirmation problems does the A.P. Indy line have?

ConfOrmation

To Derring: I will find out about A.P. Indy conformation and post it later, as I have many friends that have raced those A.P. Indys offspring. I will inquire about their conformation.

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louis finochio wrote:To Derring: I will find out about A.P. Indy conformation and post it later, as I have many friends that have raced those A.P. Indys offspring. I will inquire about their conformation.

Thank you!

Our A.P. Indy son has excellent conformation, and his offspring have had wonderful conformation and have been very sound as well... at least, the ones that we know of personally. I can't speak for others that I don't personally know, but I can say that I know enough of them personally to be very comfortable that he throws sound, well conformed individuals as a rule. He, himself, only had one start, but that was due to a bandage bow which was strictly human error... due in no part to his conformation or soundness. I've heard that the A.P. Indy's have small feet, but I have not seen that at all in our A.P. Indy son or any of his offspring, either. Now, granted, this is only one son, but it's the one that I'm very familiar with so he's the one that I base my opinion on.

hi Derring

You ask "But what conf(o)rmation problems does the A.P. Indy line have?"

I suggest (as Roquelet has touched upon) that the feet on many of the A.P. Indy offspring are a bit smaller (in proportion) than some might like to see. That's just the way it is...regardless...he seems to get a very good percentage of top-class runners.

Respectfully

This morn I asked Jake Godolphin's foreman how the AP Indys were conformation wise that have raced for Godolphin.

Jake said they have had 3 nice AP Indys and all have race well.

The AP Indys are tough and have good bone, and each AP Indy is different than the other, as the mares play an important role in this factor.

I will asked more trainers what their opinions are of the AP Indys and post it later.

hi louis finochio

Good bone and A.P. Indy seem to go hand-in-hand. For what it's worth...I cannot recall the last time I saw a light-boned A.P. Indy.

Regardless...you might agree, that plenty of runners that lean toward (or are) light boned, run well...but when retired to the breeding ranks...I suggest, beware the lack of bone, especially if dirt surfaces are your preference...and aiming for the top is a goal.

As far I'm concerned, good bone is a VERY important ingredient in the thoroughbred game...and non-negotiable in the stallion selection process.

Best to you.

Respectfully