Pedigree Query

So I was just poking around looking at Overbrook's Storm Cat video trying to take a gander at his knees. Of course he's the only stallion they have that gets the view of his head and him jumping around but most certainly no focus on the old front end eh? Sneaky.

Anywho, I got to looking at Jump Start for my own curiousity and saw something screwy with the angle his left front hoof was doing in the conformation photo and it seemed like he had a bowed tendon. I knew he'd broken down but I checked this database and sure enough there's a condylar fracture of the left front fetlock and sesamoid damage. Did he bow the tendon or are my eyes playing tricks. Does anybody know? And why on earth would you breed to that? Seriously people it's not like the feet and knees are expected to be gems anyway given the breeding but he broke down early and wow does that left front look messed up. Not attractive as a prospect at all. Surely they could've fixed his leg better than that. Must've just been focused on keeping him alive to use as a stallion but geez it looks sloppy if I can spot it. Poor horse. But yeah, is the tendon bowed or am I nuts?

It was a pretty severe injury enough to delay his stud career for a year and I think what you see is probably as good as you were going to get with the severity of injury. Saratoga Six's repaired leg looks about the same. He is a stallion that scares the living daylights out of me.

IN All Fairness... I have a mare who is stunning in all respects except for her left fore, which she fractured pretty badly. But the accident didn't occur on the track. She was in fact a very sound filly. She slipped on icy pavement near the shedrow and slid down catching her leg underneath a horse trailer. It took six surgeries and the vets made all the promises, but she certainly couldn't go back to the track. She gets around on it all right as a broodmare but it is quite ugly. It is certainly NOT hereditary.

A breakdown is a breakdown, but the question is what was his leg like before?

Its not his leg that scares me so much as the family's rampant unsoundness. I would use Saratoga Six in a heartbeat but Jump Start is waaaay down the list.

Gotcha... that last comment referred to Jump Start, not Saratoga Six... that pronoun thing.

Jump Start broke down in the Breeders Cup juvy in 2001. It was a pretty serious injury. He was a massive big 2yo. He had a wonderful temperment and the most beautiful way of going, but something was amiss.

Both his dam and half sister broke down. His other full siblling who just turned 3 broke its maiden and was hurt afterwards.

I'm staying as far away from Jump Start as possible

If you've seen Jump Start, you'll know why people chose to breed to him -- he's gorgeous. He was a big A.P. Indy son who was precocious, which usually doesn't happen with that sire line. Yes, he had a bad leg injury and yes, the family hasn't been sound, but if you take a sound mare with good legs to him, you might get a combination of ok durability with his potential. And he's cheap for his potential -- most of the promising sons begin at $25k or so.

I saw a few nice looking Jump Starts at the sales last year.

Considering the looks of his early babies, his sire (AP Indy), and an above average female family -- he seems reasonable at the price (10k) to me.

I think at $10,000 there are better options than Jump Start (cough Kafwain cough). He's unsound, his family's unsound, and his sire is having issues as a sire of sires Stephen Got Even aside. He's not my taste physically and he really cooled off from that hot first weanling crop. I wouldn't touch him until I see if he prouduces and precisely how unsound his progeny are.

Have you watched his walking video? I like him. I'd be choosy about which mares to send to him and wouldn't use him if I had a mare of a caliber that outclassed him (goes without saying?). Personality and good sense are important to me and I like that Jump Start is a "people person." He's an intelligent horse who charms just about everyone who meets him. Other than Storm Cat, he's the only Overbrook stallion whose fee didn't go down for '06. Waldman is very smart about pricing them. If they didn't lower Jump Start's fee, that says something, at least to me. I'm curious to see how his foals run this year...and how they hold up.

But I have seen Kafwain. He looks like a plough horse, except a plough horse would have better forelegs. He is terribly offset on one, and the other is back at the knee and turns out a lot.

However, I have never seen Jump Start.. maybe Kafwain would be an improvement over him.

I have seen the walking video of Jump Start and that horse's butt does not match his front and his first crop weanlings actually saw their median drop when they sold as yearlings which tells me his foals may not be improving as they get older.

Anyways I'll stick with Kafwain Seattle Slew looked like a plowhorse too.

Both his dam and half sister broke down.

A solid foundation, indeed. Eeeeeek

austique wrote:I think at $10,000 there are better options than <a href="jump%20start" onmouseover="window.status='Jump Start'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">Jump Start</a> (cough Kafwain cough). He's unsound, his family's unsound, and his sire is having issues as a sire of sires Stephen Got Even aside. He's not my taste physically and he really cooled off from that hot first weanling crop. I wouldn't touch him until I see if he prouduces and precisely how unsound his progeny are.

Austique, I have to strongly disagree with your comment about AP Indy as a sire of sires. He's off to a very promising start - Pulpit, Malibu Moon, Old Trieste (has sired a some nice horses in few crops) .......His sons are doing quite well and there's still Mineshaft to come, Mingun (who I love) and others.