Exorbitant (GB)

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:56 am

Can anyone shed any light on his pedigree? I'm not familiar with many of the names...

http://www.pedigreequery.com/exorbitant2

And here's a link to his real photo:

http://a-1performancesires.com/Exorbitant_xx.htm

Opinions on his build/conformation? I like him a lot from a sporthorse view...

Thanks!

bonzer · Postby **bonzer** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:40 am

His sire Final Straw was a champion miler in the late 70s, as a stallion though he wasn't too successful but he got some tough staying type of horses. He also has Crepello and Grey Sovereign in his pedigree who were also solid stamina influences.

herbager · Postby **herbager** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:52 am

This is all pretty old line breeding but there are a lot of nice horses in the third generation...just not particularly commercial from a racing view.

I wonder when the photos were taken...it would really surprise me if he is still that color at 22. Note too that there is no picture of his left side, just an inverse of his right. It would be nice to see him all around.

He looks like he has a pretty jumper style and a definite WB look with the high head set. I really like a pretty arched neck myself.

Personally, I like a little more shoulder angle with more carry back to the wither...and a hair more gaskin. But that is from a racing standpoint...he certainly looks the part for a WB stallion though.

What capacity do you think you want to use him in?

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:42 am

I like him as a sporthorse sire... I've heard mainly positive things about his offspring. Seems like a good jumper (and apparently, a more upright shoulder is desirable in a jumper, from what I've read), and he has a nice jumper build... he is also described as being a nice mover, too. I particularly like his neck & headset, too, as (theoretically speaking) it compliments my TB mare's neck, which is not her strong point (needs more crest to it). She is big-bodied & fairly muscular. Her gaskins are nice, I think :wink:

and I'm sure it's an old photo, as you've pointed out! And I agree, I like his "Warmblood" looks...

I contacted the Performance Horse Registry... if they will allow two registered TB parents to be added to their registry, I may think about it... don't care much about the JC registration, just want to be able to prove parentage of the offspring...

Just thought he was gorgeous and wanted to know more about the horses in his pedigree...

herbager · Postby **herbager** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:00 pm

The Performance Horse Registry will let you register anything with TB blood...both parents registered is fine. Obviously, if you are doing AI (and the breeders report to the Jockey Club which of the foals are produced via non-natural means) this will be the only way that the foal can be registered as far as they are concerned.

I hadn't heard that an upright shoulder was an advantage in Jumpers though I would guess a different cannon to forearm ratio would be better for getting their knees up under their chin.

Me, I like lots of extension and big free shoulder movement.

Personally, I have a bloodline that carries a lot of grey and this would deter me from using this stallion on prospective foal that I was keeping. I have too many melanomas to think that grey is pretty...now if I was breeding to sell...the more grey the better since, like the photo of Exorbitant, when it's at that perfect stage it is gorgeous.

K~2 · Postby **K~2** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm

I knew another son of Final Straw... The good racehorse Colway Rally. And I'm sure if he wasn't an older stallion when the college I went to purchased him, he would have easily been accepted as a 'sporthorse' stallion. He was big, rangy and athletic.

And I don't think that you see too many stallions these days tail-male to Hyperion.

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:30 pm

herbager wrote:The Performance Horse Registry will let you register anything with TB blood...both parents registered is fine. Obviously, if you are doing AI (and the breeders report to the Jockey Club which of the foals are produced via non-natural means) this will be the only way that the foal can be registered as far as they are concerned.

Wow!!!!! That's GREAT news!! I have searched EVERY WB registry with the hopes that I could register (or at least get a proof of pedigree) a TB via AI for sport horse purposes. Just wanted to know if it were possible. I think this was the last registry I stumbled on, and had *no idea* that it was affiliated with the JC... I was looking for a way to prove parentage, at least... and they hadn't gotten back to me yet.

Guess I'll be on the computer this weekend, doing more pedigree research! :mrgreen:

The article I read concerning the shoulder was in the March 2006 Practical Horseman magazine. They did an excerpt on the book, Training the Modern Jumper, by Elmar Pollmann-Schweckhorst. One comment, or observation, was that most top jumpers have a steep shoulder, and that it, according to the article, seems to improve the ability to avoid front end faults. They show the stallion Come On, and his build reminds me a lot of Exorbitant... so it got me interested in him, and I started digging!

Thanks for the replies!

erins isle · Postby **erins isle** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:40 pm

Hi Skeenan,
Firstly I must admit that in my eyes this pedigree sounds very familiar, but I am European and this horse has a European pedigree.
The TF considered Exorbitant 81 as a rating, which isn't very high compared with Reference Point in the same year 135. His sire Final Straw sired some good fillies such as Untold. His dam Fee had a TF of 111, which is rather good. TF: lengthy, well made colt, carries condition, good mover, act on any going, stays 2 miles well. Needs strong handling. Trainer was R.F. Johnston Houghton.
I happened to know the sire of the dam Mandamus. He came to our country when he was over 20 years already and was used privately by one of our breeders then. From his earlier crops he sired in England Cocky Dundas, a small, but very atttractive colt. He was a very useful sprinter and was later trained over longer distances, because he became the first TB used for the Welsh Pony Studbook and he did very well. So there are some sporthorses in the pedigree of Exorbitant, more than you may think at first sight!

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:13 pm

Thanks, erins isle, for the insight!

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:09 am

He's stunning! I agree he looks more like a (superb!) sport horse sire but that doesn't mean he couldn't sire runners either. His pedigree looks very nice although I don't know what his bottom line looks like in terms of produce.

He sure has the WB look though and that jump! Wow. And i don't even LIKE greys...