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Tipping The Groom Question

Postby StrawberryFelidos » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:39 am

Question regarding farm etiquette:
what is the going rate for tips you give to the staillion handlers at the farms? In 2004 I remember it being something like- basic tour of the farm, $5, a tour and some horses brought out, $10, a lot of horses out, $15, and if the whole darn stallion rooster comes out to visit, $20-25.
Am I close? :lol:

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Postby LSB » Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:04 am

Actually your estimates sound a little high to me--though I notice it starts with a farm tour. So are you "touring" or are you looking at stallions you might want to breed to? (I'm only asking because I've never had a farm tour, so I don't know the protocol for that situation.)

When I'm stallion shopping, I usually tip $5 if I look at 1-2 in the same barn, maybe $10 if I'm pulling out 6-8 from a couple of locations. In a case where the stallion manager is escorting me all over the farm and we're looking at a bunch, handled by several different grooms, I'll give the stallion manager $15-20 at the end and ask him to split it up as he sees fit.

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Postby BJ » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:51 pm

LSB wrote:Actually your estimates sound a little high to me--though I notice it starts with a farm tour. So are you "touring" or are you looking at stallions you might want to breed to? (I'm only asking because I've never had a farm tour, so I don't know the protocol for that situation.)

When I'm stallion shopping, I usually tip $5 if I look at 1-2 in the same barn, maybe $10 if I'm pulling out 6-8 from a couple of locations. In a case where the stallion manager is escorting me all over the farm and we're looking at a bunch, handled by several different grooms, I'll give the stallion manager $15-20 at the end and ask him to split it up as he sees fit.


While we are talking tipping etiquette...What about tipping of grooms at the boarding and training farms if you have 2-3 horses in training? We tip each groom that takes care of our horses about $20 a week (a visit), the hotwalkers $10 and the exercise boys $20 each. Is that "reasonable"?

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Postby louis finochio » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:22 pm

I would like to thank all of the posters on this topic for being generous as those stable workers really look forward to receiving your gratitude.

When my customers receive their IRS refunds, their faces light up like Xmas Morning. God bless all those workers that make our day by doing the work that other individuals wouldnt do.
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Postby StrawberryFelidos » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:25 pm

I'm talking about the farm touring side of tipping (wish I had the cash to breed to these guys :wink: )

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Postby BJ » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:30 pm

louis finochio wrote:I would like to thank all of the posters on this topic for being generous as those stable workers really look forward to receiving your gratitude.

When my customers receive their IRS refunds, their faces light up like Xmas Morning. God bless all those workers that make our day by doing the work that other individuals wouldnt do.


Well, as long as they are here legally...and abide by the laws of this country...I'm very grateful for their contribution.

But, as far as work others wouldn't do...many young people (citizens of this country) start out doing that work, grooms, bussing tables, etc. (My partner started out a groom at the track.) Now, many young Americans can't find those jobs because many illegals have them. So, I hope you aren't supporting the illegal boycott tomorrow.

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Postby louis finochio » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:04 pm

Thirty Years ago the backstretch workers were 98 % all illeagel. It was a real bad image, and a black eye for the TB industry.

Twenty years ago after the labor board terminated the illeagle's the H2 visa program was launched.

Those workers from Mexico and Central America had to pay legal fees to obtain an H2 Visa good for 9 months at a cost of 3000.00 to 4000.00 dollars.

These H2 visa program workers are working at the farms, as well as the backstretch.

I am not supporting any illegal march on this side of the border. Lets bring back the draft and let those who work in this country serve their 3 years in the miltary and let them pay their dues.

When they have to register for the draft they will flee back to their own country. Many of are fellow Americans have given their lives so all of us Americans will enjoy the freedom that many take for granted today.

God Bless America and all those who served to make the USA land of the free and home of the brave, Amen.
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Postby madelyn » Mon May 01, 2006 5:38 am

Louis, I'm sorry but you are just flat wrong.

Twenty years ago, the 1986 Immigration Reform Law was passed. I happened to have a "very up close and personal" view of the law, and its rationales. I was working on a large automation project at one of the largest international airports in the US, and the INS office there came in under my umbrella.

The purpose of that reform was to offer amnesty to all illegal aliens who had lived and worked in the US, and ABIDED BY ALL OF ITS LAWS, since 1980. There was no requirement for legal fees, just an application fee of $100 to be submitted along with supporting documentation and receipts proving residency and employment for that period. That included TAX RETURNS, rent receipts, employment proof, etc. What many illegal aliens failed at that time to understand, and indeed probably still fail to understand, is that the IRS and the INS only have in common that they are both Federal agencies. They do NOT typically share information. Paying taxes is one of the SURER ways to eventually gain residency. FAILURE to pay taxes is one of the SUREST ways to NOT gain residency. The H2 visa had existed LONG before this law was passed. One of the massive tasks I undertook to automate was a billing program. We had WAREHOUSES full of documents for escaped H2's that had to be billed before the law could be fully enacted. The H2 was an agricultural visa, for seasonal workers. It was applied for on behalf of a foreign worker by an agricultural employer. The employer's responsibility included bringing the worker INTO the US and ensuring the worker's RETURN to the nation of origin. When the RETURN could not be verified, the worker was classified as an ESCAPED H2, and the employer found to be subject to a fine ($300 if I recall, but I am getting on so that might not be the amount). We billed hundreds of thousands of dollars over a two month period, and cleaned up all the records. I did not participate in the collection from the employers so I don't really know how much money the INS collected.

The 1986 Immigration Reform Law, besides granting residency to thousands of illegal aliens, modernized a lot of the visa laws. That included RESTRUCTURING the H1 and H2 visas, and providing a path for conversion to an F visa.

At no time was an illegal alien REQUIRED to pay thousands of dollars in legal fees. The only ones who faced those obstacles were those who had (a) failed to pay income tax over the preceding seven years or (b) gotten themselves their own criminal records to overcome.

Now, of course, I am a computer geek, not a lawyer or legislator, and there was probably much more to it than that.. but I had several acquaintances who were granted documentation through this law and none of them paid any legal fees.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....

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Postby louis finochio » Mon May 01, 2006 6:40 am

The laws have changed as I posted, the info I posted was from the backstretch workers that I talked to.

If those H2 workers are paying those sums for their visa, when they dont have to, some individuals are lining their pockets with their money.

I hope they get caught as their are taken advantage of those documented workers.
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Postby henthorn » Mon May 01, 2006 4:03 pm

I've heard the same thing about the double-dealing that some attorneys do in order to "help" the backstretch workers feel secure and up to date on their paperwork. Many tracks have legal advisors that advertise their services to the immigrants for several thousand dollars, and the workers will pay it just to be sure they are not to lose their jobs. Especially when a language or education barrier exists.
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Postby FOS » Mon May 01, 2006 5:40 pm

hi madelyn

You almost single-handledly turned the question on Tipping The Groom into a thread on illegals, the 1986 Immigration Reform Law and the INS... :lol: :lol: :lol: .

Regardless...I find the info you offer on your post to be very interesting...thanks.

I am encouraged that there seems to be a respectful (although sometimes spirited) dialogue among most (including legislators etc), and a largely non-violent demeanor surrounding the protests and protestors...but it is polarizing, and could reach a boil & possibly get ugly.

I hope that we might be in store (ultimately) for a quality and respectful solution...maybe a brilliant resolution. Am I dreamin' :roll: ?

Respectfully

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Postby henthorn » Tue May 02, 2006 12:07 pm

I never thought of tipping the grooms at stallion farms. I'm there to do my job, and they are there to do theirs. If a sign were posted that said "gratuities welcome", I would have considered it.
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