Pedigree Query

So, who is going to go after Barbaro as a stud prospect? Do we like those Dynaformer's at stud?
Just curious.

A bit early (I hope) to speculate on stud plans, but Barbaro is free of Northern Dancer other than a remote strain at the sixth generation that is via Nijinsky II. He also has a daughter of the Dancer's sire Nearctic as his fourth dam -- might be a nice outcross sire for mares relatively close up to Nprthern Dancer or inbred to that stallion through sources other than Nijinsky II.

Dynaformer as I remember doesn't have many sons as sire mainly because they have nasty dispositions and subsequently are gelded.

Rick wrote:Dynaformer as I remember doesn't have many sons as sire mainly because they have nasty dispositions and subsequently are gelded.

He has 10 currently:

Blumin Affair in Nebraska for $1,500

Blueformer in Puerto Rico for $2,000

Dynameaux in Texas for $1,500

Schumaker in Louisiana for $1,000

Sky Raider in Louisiana for $1,000

Solidifier in Florida for $1,000

Schiller in Colorado, private fee

Golden Dynamics German-bred in Germany, no fee available (hey, Bettina, know anything on this boy?

Beat All in England, no fee available

Old Chapel in New Mexico, no fee available

I hope Barbaro gets a good home in Kentucky and does well as a great sire.....

LaTroienne wrote:I hope Barbaro gets a good home in Kentucky and does well as a great sire.....

I'm banking on Three Chimneys.

We have Final Markdown in PA This is his first year at stud.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/final+markdown

Mark is very easy going, and has an incredibly sweet disposition, so I guess there are exceptions.

SymRanch wrote:We have Final Markdown in PA This is his first year at stud.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/final+markdown

Mark is very easy going, and has an incredibly sweet disposition, so I guess there are exceptions.

Little too upright for my tastes.

Hey Sym, is that new avatar the baby you used to have pictured all grown up?

[quote="Sam"]
Little too upright for my tastes.

Hey Sym, is that new avatar the baby you used to have pictured all grown up?[/quote]

Guess I need to find a more flattering photo of Mark to put up! He's much better looking in person, but I'm short on decent photos.... his videos give a better idea of what he looks like, as well as what a sweetie he is. (http://www.symranch.com/gallery.html)

As with all traits that sires are sterotyped as passing, it may be true that a LOT of dynaformers offspring are pills, but it's sure not true of ALL of them.

Has anyone heard specifics about Barbaro's temperment? I didn't view his "nibbles" on the leadpony as aggressive at all. I thought it just looked like a colt being sociable. He was more nuzzling than biting.

(The prior avatar was a 2004 filly, this one's a 2000 mare. )

I have been observing Dynaformer as a dominant stallion for many years.

The answer can be found in his pedigree. D has only 3 crosses of Phalaris and 13 crosses of Non-Phalaris.

This has give D offspring soundness, as those TB stallions with 10-13 crosses of Phalaris are not in the same soundness league with D.

Their are very few stallions today that only carry 3 crosses of Phalaris in their 5 generation pedigree.

Barbaro has inherited D soundness and will have a golden opportunity to sweep the TC.

[quote="SymRanch"]

As with all traits that sires are sterotyped as passing, it may be true that a LOT of dynaformers offspring are pills, but it's sure not true of ALL of them.

Has anyone heard specifics about Barbaro's temperment? I didn't view his "nibbles" on the leadpony as aggressive at all. I thought it just looked like a colt being sociable. He was more nuzzling than biting.


The NY Times sports has a full color special pictorial of the Derby and Barbaro; before,during and after. One pcture has Matz walking toward Barbaro in the saddling area before he is saddled.

Barbaro is facing out of the saddling cubicle, His neck is straining and is fully extended upward and to his left, his mouth is open,(groom is holding his lead) he is trying to move forward and three people are struggling to hold him back..one on each side,and one in back.

Barbaro doesn't look vicious at all ,but "annoyed" becasue he is being restrained and he looks like he wanted to "greet Matz" and get the show on the road.

Great shots all.

Barbaro flipped out while getting the undergirth tightened at the Derby and the Florida Derby.

Michael Matz also strongly cautioned the people carrying the blanket of roses to "be careful with him" before opting to throw the blanket over himself. So I would infer that he's probably at least somewhat hard to handle.

There's another Dynaformer that may be a nice sire, named Purim. He's a graded winner on dirt and turf. He isn't the level racehorse that Barbaro is, but he has a wonderful pedigree, and is at least a grade 2 level horse. We'll see if he progresses from there.

Dynaformer and Brian's Time are very closely related add to that the Derby win it all looks like he will end up in Japan. Consider the fact that Dynaformer is not yet a great sire of sires. Also, Dynaformer is a very good turf stallion it all points to Japan. For him to stay in the Western hemisphere(USA or Europe) either Coolmore or Darley have got to be interested. Winning the Derby is not that big a deal when it comes to stallion prospects.