Potential Broodmare sires

[Keith]

Anyone's thoughts on these stallions as Broodmare sires

Arch by Kris S.-Aurora by Danzig
Benchmark by Alydar-Winter's Love by Danzig
Citidancer by Dixieland Band-Willamae by Tentam
Cryptoclearance by Fappiano-Naval Orange by Hoist The Flag
Dixie Union by Dixieland Band-She's Tops by Capote
Doneraile Court by Seattle Slew-Sophisticated Girl by Stop The Music
Lemon Drop Kid by Kingmambo-Charming Lassie by Seattle Slew
Matty G. by Capote-Star Gem by Pia Star
Open Forum by Deputy Minister-Agretta by Graustark
Polish Numbers by Danzig-Numbered Account by Buckpasser
Real Quiet by Quiet American-Really Blue by Believe It
War Chant by Danzig-Hollywood Wildcat by Kris S.
Will's Way by Easy Goer-Willamae by Tentam

Keith

[austique]

Keith,

Do you mind if a tag along and add Grand Slam to your list?


Off that list I think Lemon Drop Kid probably has the most potential and given his foals less than enthusiastic performance at the track, you might be able to pick up a few cheap.

Cryptoclearance has already proven himself useful as a broodmare sire.

Dixie Union gets a very nice looking foal and one would assume his daughters might as well. Obviously his sire did well for himself on the broodmare end of things.

[Keith]

Here are a few more stallions who could be decent broodmare sires

Lost Soldier by Danzig-Lady Winborne by Secretariat
Menifee by Harlan-Anne Campbell by Never Bend
Not For Love by Mr. Prospector-Dance Number by Northern Dancer
Skip Away by Skip Trial-Ingot Way by Diplomat Way
Strategic Mission by Mr. Prospector-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder
Sultry Song by Cox's Ridge-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder

[FOS]

hi austique

Regarding potential broodmare sires...

Off that list I think Lemon Drop Kid probably has the most potential

Agreed.

...and given his foals less than enthusiastic performance at the track, you might be able to pick up a few cheap.

I don't know what your definition of "cheap" is...but a well-bred Lemon Drop Kid daughter (which arguably most of them are) which looks the part will arguably NOT be cheap (to my way of thinking).

As you know...his daughter Lemons Forever recently won the filly classic G1-Kentucky Oaks...and Adena's current Can-G3 winner Malakoff (also by Lemon Drop Kid) looks to be a good one, and is currently being pointed for the Queen's Plate. Things seem to be picking up for LDK.

I submit that for the most part, Lemon Drop Kid's daughters will be a source of stamina...and I expect to see some classic-types and contenders from LDK mares..

I look for him to be a VERY special broodmare sire.

Dixie Union gets a very nice looking foal and one would assume his daughters might as well. Obviously his sire did well for himself on the broodmare end of things.

His sire did do well for himself...but I expect that Dixie Union, as a broodmare sire, will (to a large degree) get sprinters and probably some milers. I expect that his daughters (in general) might have some difficulty getting what might be described as the classic contender...although arguably a major injection of stamina (from selected sire[s]) might help.

Respectfully

[austique]

FOS,

By "cheap" I meant considerably less than what they were put on the ground for He's had an awful slide down the ranks and a longshot KY Oaks winner won't do much for him in the long run if she fails to reproduce that effort on the track.

Agreed that Dixie Union hasn't proved to be stamina laden, but that pretty much describes a majority of the stallions in KY Dixie Union does pretty better than about any young stallion out there today and regardless of what the delusional will tell you, pretty sells.

Skip Away I think could be a sneaky one. He's either going to be a superstar or a flop as a broodmare sire. Unfortunately his current commercial appeal might point to a lot of his daughters going to lesser stallions in the future and having less than a fair shake at success, but he was a phenomenal racehorse and one might gamble that his daughters might pass some of those speedy genes on.

FOS, no opinion on Grand Slam?

[Keith]

Dixieland Band has done very well as a broodmare sire and not enough can be said about Quiet American as a broodmare sire. I thought maybe Real Quiet could be a decent broodmare sire and much more affordable than Quiet American mares. I like Citidancer as a broodmare sire and I thought Citidancer's half brother Will's Way may make a decent broodmare sire as he is a multiple grade I winner with great mares in his pedigree that include Willamae, Relaxing, Sweet Tooth, and Tamerett. Just a thought.

Keith

[FOS]

hi austique

FOS,
By "cheap" I meant considerably less than what they were put on the ground for He's had an awful slide down the ranks and a longshot KY Oaks winner won't do much for him in the long run if she fails to reproduce that effort on the track.

We're talking the G1-Kentucky Oaks. Long shot or not...that's one heck of a prestigious race. I also get a sense that the Lemon Drop Kid colt Malakoff could be a very good one.

For a while there, it seemed like it might have been reasonable to suggest that Lemon Drop Kid might fall into the Alysheba category...a bum of a racehorse sire, but a TOP class broodmare sire. Things are happening though, LDK's coming up with a couple of real racehorses now...and I sense he'll not only surpass many of his contemporaries (and Alysheba) as a racehorse sire...but also become a very special broodmare sire (and probably surpass Alysheba in that category too).

Skip Away I think could be a sneaky one. He's either going to be a superstar or a flop as a broodmare sire......he was a phenomenal racehorse and one might gamble that his daughters might pass some of those speedy genes on.

I believe it's fair to say (based on what I've seen) that in general Skip Away gets two distinct physical types. He can get the kind that is very powerful and strong behind...and the kind that is shallow and weak behind.

If you can get your hands on a good one of his daughters that is very strong behind...has an attractive pedigree and some real broodmare-sire names on the page, you might be on to something (as a potential broodmare). I suggest that if you get a Skip Away that's weak behind, your chances for success are sliimmmmmm.

FOS, no opinion on Grand Slam?

He can get a very handsome horse. I recommend, select a good-sized and good physical Grand Slam with enough length (not short-backed)...a filly that comes with a rather thrifty page...and you might pay much less than you might expect...plus have a potentially very nice broodmare to boot. That same filly with a big page could cost you plenty.

Grand Slam...a Gone West out of an El Gran Senor...nice.

Best to you.

Respectfully

[austique]

FOS,

I'm not disputing the gleam of the KY Oaks, but you would agree that if Lemons Forever fails to reproduce that effort on a consistent basis its not going to boost her sires already faltering reputation. Few will remember her at the end of the year. He had a very good first couple of books of mares and has dragged them down pretty far. He won't see those types of mares again. I don't see him ascending the ranks as a sire at this point (he's still very young). Getting some very nice horses occasionally? Yes, he'll do that, but I think his mint will be made as a broodmare sire.

But to be fair his largest crops are now 2 and 3 and he may benefit from the cheaper mares he'll see in his new price range (perhaps some cheap speed in there). I just think its really hard with the way the market is now to crawl out of a hole no matter how shallow it may be. At least he can console himself with the fact that his foals are winning at a faster clip this year than another 3rd crop sire I could mention

Edit: Forgot to say "Thank you" for the analysis of Grand Slam

[LaTroienne]

I love LEMON DROP KID as a broodmare sire 'cause his fillies have been very good so far.

[Denise]

In truth, the hallmark of a great broodmare sire is when his daughters produce grade 1 or group 1 winners, sons mainly, not necessarily that they are grade 1 winners themselves.
A pretty peerless broodie sire (IMO) is Buckpasser. Take a look at a number of outstanding sires who have Buckpasser in that position in their pedigrees.

[FOS]

hi Denise

A pretty peerless broodie sire (IMO) is Buckpasser.

Buckpasser...a VERY special racehorse and a GREAT broodmare sire.

Respectfully

[Denise]

Buckpasser's my favorite among the "old" men. Secretariat was also a wonderful broodie sire, only because he never replicated himself with sons, but Buckpasser's a legend for generations.
Our good broodmare is from a Bucksplasher mare, so we're one generation removed there. We also have a broodmare prospect who's a daughter of Polish Numbers, and having that damsire influence back a generation (through Numbered Account) is extraordinary.
We love With Approval daughters as well, given that he's from a Buckpasser mare. The stamp continues...

[tbrace]

A nice broodmare sire perhaps from the "in between" age group might be Wavering Monarch. He's starting to put together some nice broodmare numbers.

[Keith]

Mining by Mr. Prospector-I Pass by Buckpasser

Mining has been a successful broodmare sire

Zenno Rob Roy by Sunday Silence-Roamin Rachel by Mining winner of Japan Cup and Horse of The Year in Japan

I'm The Tiger by Siphon-Love Medicine by Mining winner of Frank de Francis Memorial Dash S.-Gr. I

Middlesex Drive by Pine Bluff-York Woods by Mining winner of $746,819 Kelso H.-Gr. II, Bernard Baruch H.-Gr. II, Dixie H.-Gr. II

Real Cozzy by Cozzene-Mining My Business by Mining winner of Fair Grounds Oaks-Gr. II, 2nd Kentucky Oaks 2nd Mother Goose S.

Keith

[Derby2004]

ill be looking for St Ballado to end up near the top also