Wild Evasion

[freddymo]

Green hills the trainers want you to sell the horse because it does not meet with there programs. They are high profile trainers who don't need head count at the mdn claiming level. They would rather see you move on and buy other prospects that may have quicker ROI for them. Sure these 2 are great horseman, but they are also very shrewd businessman. As businessman they would rather have more new faces then old faces that they have not figured out yet. The horse may not be a stud yet, he may never be ,but clearly the jury is still out. Maybe Todd can give you alittle bit of that" win by 10 lengths cocktail' that his horses have been enjoying lately..Just Kidding

[Green Hills]

Green hills the trainers want you to sell the horse because it does not meet with there programs. They are high profile trainers who don't need head count at the mdn claiming level. They would rather see you move on and buy other prospects that may have quicker ROI for them. Sure these 2 are great horseman, but they are also very shrewd businessman. As businessman they would rather have more new faces then old faces that they have not figured out yet. The horse may not be a stud yet, he may never be ,but clearly the jury is still out. Maybe Todd can give you alittle bit of that" win by 10 lengths cocktail' that his horses have been enjoying lately..Just Kidding

LOL!!! He's already given a couple of our horses that magic something we never expected...but hey...a nose is as good as a mile...

[Green Hills]

As of this morning Wild Evasion has been sold.

[Roguelet]

There you go again! You should become a sales agent!

[Green Hills]

There you go again! You should become a sales agent!

The horses speak for themselves. I had several offers, thanks to here. Believe it or not...it happened again...more than we originally thought to get...but if it's a good horse, a good fair price will be paid if patience is applied.

[Roguelet]

OK, that's it! I'm sending you my horses to sell. They're in the mail.

[Green Hills]

OK, that's it! I'm sending you my horses to sell. They're in the mail.

Well, I'm not accepting anything with "Postage Due" so just be warned...

[madelyn]

Congrats, GH, I let some trainers and folks know about him... the more in circulation the better....

[halo]

[quote="BJ"]Kal says about BJ's post:

>>>KAL wrote:
I find it quite amusing someone, who has never been around the horse, never watched it work, has no idea how the animal is around the barn, and is basically missing some important information as to make a qualified assessment, finds it appropriate to say, "...I wouldn't want my horse...". <<<<

I'm the one being "immature"? Hmm, at least I took the time to look at the horse's form and works before venturing an opinion and supposedly "offering help". How DO YOU help someone without taking the time to look at what is being discussed? I call that kind of help "lip service" to fill time and space. So, KAL, instead of wasting your time "analyzing me", why not spend the time actually looking at the horse who is the subject of the post? Though that may not be as "amusing" for you.

In any event, Green Hills says the horse doesn't fit with the program of the owners. Hopefully someone willing to take the time will buy him and do well with him. Oftentimes, a barn blessed with an abundance of top performers, doesn't have what it takes to work with a horse that doesn't "do everything right".

The following is my opinion based upon what I can see on paper and what I have seen in SIMILAR patterns in horses:

The horse started out "trying", but green in his first start, a sprint. He was then run in a route race, where he still *tried*, but was not fit for the race, IMO. He was then put back in a sprint, and dropped in price, because the trainer (IMO) figured he was tired from the "distance", not the lack of proper conditioning. Next ,they tried to take the horse back in a sprint. Not his style, IMO. I *think*, the horse IS a router, but needs some time off now to clear his head AND start over BEFORE he sours. He does have route speed, IMO, BUT needs to be better conditioned before he is tested again. I feel his problems (which are correctable if he gets immediate R &R) are both physical and mental. If he is not rested, he will continue to go down the claiming ranks, while I believe, if he does get rest, and is started from scratch with better conditioning and attention to what the horse does best, he will move up the ranks, not down. That is my analysis based on what I can see on paper. What do you see KAL?


Wild Evasion, 2001 Dark Bay or Brown Colt,
by Elusive Quality (93)— Judys Wild Rose (92), by Wild Again (80)
Breeder: Runners Ridge Inc (KY)

(SPR=61; CPI= 0.6)
Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Earned (USA $)
2004 2 0 1 0 $4,550
2005 2 0 0 1 $1,400
Totals 4 0 1 1 $5,950

Date #Track Dist Type/Purse/Clm Splits Points Of Call Jockey W First Three Finishers Comments Earned (USA $)

020905 3GP ft 6f MCL14k/32k
2267 4597 1:1039 1 7 55½ 54½ 65¾ 510 BravoJ 122 L 3.20 72
TheChetahsTale4¼,ProBn3¼,SuthfilyBarynk [color=red]3 wide, faltered $140 [/color]

011705 2GP ft 6½f MCL14k/32k
2298 4677 1:1825 9 6 2hd 2hd 22½ 39¼ CastellanoJ 122 L * 1.20 71
ChnngNumbrs5¾,MonOvrMiami3½,WildEvasion12¾ [color=red]rail, gave way $1,260 [/color]

120204 9AQU ft 8½f MCL19k/40k
4863 1:1360 1:4607 3 2 1hd 2hd 31½ 47 GryderAT 121 L * 1.70 72
TrueCall2¼,Lexnk,A.P.Slew4½ [color=red]pace,tested turn,tired $950[/color]

102904 3AQU ft 6f MCL18k/40k
2240 4554 1:1160 6 3 32 33½ 24½ 21½ GryderAT 122 3.55 79
Gainango1½,WildEvasion¾,Kakapo1¼ [color=red]chased 3 wide, gamely $3,600[/color]

[color=red][b]Workouts: Wild Evasion [/b][/color]

Date Track Distance Time Gate Track Cond. Rank

05-Jan-05 GP 4f 48.60 H Fast 6/22
([color=red]didn't work for 12 days before race on 1-17-2005, THEN didn't work at all between 1-17 & 2-09 race - WHY?)[/color]

27-Dec-04 GP 4f 49.00 B Fast 13/32
20-Dec-04 GP 4f 49.80 B Fast 13/31

[color=red]RACE DECEMBER 2, 2004 (8 1/2 f race)[/color]
[color=red]WHERE ARE THE CONDITIONING WORKS?[/color]

20-Nov-04 BEL 4f 50.52 B Fast 20/23
11-Nov-04 BEL 3f 39.95 B Fast 9/9

[color=red]FIRST START 10-29-04[/color] [color=red]Are there MISSING WORKS?[/color]
24-Oct-04 BEL 6f 1:13.17 Bg Fast 1/4
[color=red]WHERE ARE THE 5F WORKS?[/color]
15-Oct-04 MTH 4f 51.00 B Fast 18/26
08-Oct-04 MTH 4f 48.00 H Fast 1/26
01-Oct-04 MTH 4f 49.00 B Muddy 12/42
24-Sep-04 MTH 4f 51.00 B Fast 22/34[/quote]

I realize this thread has basically been concluded, but I just want to advise B.J. that the works that you seem to take so much stock in are often incorrect. Many times horses work and they are clocked incorrectly or not at all.

[Green Hills]

Congrats, GH, I let some trainers and folks know about him... the more in circulation the better....

Thanks. I have told our trainers not to be shy about letting me know if there are any others in their barns that are basically without lameness and other health issues that could do with a change of scenery or even a change of job. Who knows what little gem may turn up.

I certainly wish the new owners lots of luck and happiness with Wild Evasion. It is quite possible that many of the folks here were right and he just needs a new set of circumstances to rise to his potential. Time will tell.

[Green Hills]

Halo,

I thank you for all of your insight. And I agree with much of it. I hope the new owners are also thinking to give him some time and see if they can get him to his potential. When we bought him, we were sure he had a lot of potential and perhaps he wasn't placed with the right trainer at the time, hindsight is always 20/20. But I am now hoping that we will see him out there doing what we had once thought he was capable of doing.

[halo]

Greenhills, I think it is BJ's insight you are agreeing with, not mine. The only additional point Id like to add is that Christophe Clemente is an extremely good trainer, and I think if he thinks the horse needs another career, or a serious drop in class, then its probably true. To pick at what races he's been in, or his work tab, is absurd. Thats not to say that the horse might not do just fine at Turfway Park or Philadelphia Park, or a lower class of track. Its just not what that trainer's agenda is. A good trainer generally knows what he has in his shedrow before the horse makes his first start. Within a few starts, he'll have an excellent idea. You can always make excuses, the horse did this, the rider did that, blah blah. Good horses don't need excuses every time they run. Seems to me that if he's suggesting the horse be sold, that he's looking out for your best interest. Im sure he knows what type of horse you are looking to run, if this horse doesnt seem to fit that spot, it would be best to find a new home for him.

[BenB]

Without ever having the possibilities for studying him or seeiing him a live
I would ( stupid me, how could I write this), change dramatictly distance, and track surface.
So get him started for just once, in an 9 furlong claimer, just to make sure
that he has or hasn,t any racepotential at all, and try on turf also once.
If there is a paddock somewhere around, puts him in, for a couple of hours a day, with or without a rug on him. If this isn,t already done.
With good fencing around.
It will freshing him up.
Hope for all the best.

Ben.

[BenB]

Without ever having the possibilities for studying him or seeiing him a live
I would ( stupid me, how could I write this), change dramatictly distance, and track surface.
So get him started for just once, in an 9 furlong claimer, just to make sure
that he has or hasn,t any racepotential at all, and try on turf also once.
If this should be to down low in the ratings from the trainers view, than
I am not able giving any humble advice. Some horses just need to get in the winners enclosure, for their confidence, instead of beiing beaten square and easy.
If there is a paddock somewhere around, puts him in, for a couple of hours a day, with or without a rug on him. If this isn,t already done.
With good fencing around.
It will freshing him up and he might train himself, by gooiing up and down
along the fenches
Hope for all the best.

Ben.

[Green Hills]

Greenhills, I think it is BJ's insight you are agreeing with, not mine. The only additional point Id like to add is that Christophe Clemente is an extremely good trainer, and I think if he thinks the horse needs another career, or a serious drop in class, then its probably true. To pick at what races he's been in, or his work tab, is absurd. Thats not to say that the horse might not do just fine at Turfway Park or Philadelphia Park, or a lower class of track. Its just not what that trainer's agenda is. A good trainer generally knows what he has in his shedrow before the horse makes his first start. Within a few starts, he'll have an excellent idea. You can always make excuses, the horse did this, the rider did that, blah blah. Good horses don't need excuses every time they run. Seems to me that if he's suggesting the horse be sold, that he's looking out for your best interest. Im sure he knows what type of horse you are looking to run, if this horse doesnt seem to fit that spot, it would be best to find a new home for him.

I agree about Christophe. We are careful to choose our trainers for their care of our horses and, let's be honest, our business. At any rate, he's got a new home and let's see what happens now and in the future.