SCAMMED by DAN , For Sale! Daughter of Rodeo, foals winning!

[reedhill]

Now, you werent scammed. He didnt take your mare or your money. The correct and proper way to advertise is to simply state that the sale fell thru. Better get used to stories galore if you wanna venture into the tb business

Well, I'm very used to foreign sounding folks scamming, but when someone intentionally tells stories, and lies for weeks, they are scamming sellers and wasting their time.

[madelyn]

There is a big difference between scamming and tire kicking. You still have the horse.

[reedhill]

Yes, but he repeatedly told me he was going to wire me the money the next day. I think you all are under the impression that unless a horse is taken from the seller, it is not a scam, I disagree very much, there are many types of scammers out there, and they don't always end up stealing a horse. If your not sure about the definition of one, go to your local horse classifieds, and read about it. For you folks who insinuate I don't know what I'm talking about, get real! I've been in the horse industry for 30 years, I think I know the difference!

[ageecee]

He didnt scam you but he sure was TRYING to scam you. He wasnt tire kicking he was looking for a way to scam you.

[reedhill]

Exactly!!!!!!!! And if he ever looks back at my ads, he will know I know what scum he is. Once scammers like this get your bank wire account info. [u](my bank who is looking out for my best interest tells me), [/u]scammers have tried to make fake checks, write them, and they stall with the purchase long enough to see if they can make purchases with those checks. Had this happen with a scammer in Mexico, so I DO know what I'm talking about, have lived through it!!!!!!!!! Now Americans are catching on...........so BEWARE!

[UmmYeah]

There are many other ways to accept payment. Anyone that is serious about actually purchasing something from someone should be willing to be flexible about how they send payment. If a buyer dictates that they will only submit payment one way, that is a huge red flag.

[reedhill]

I know, but I accept payments by wire transfer all the time, also PAYPAL, check, cask, credit card, and western union............it really makes no difference to me. Once again, I'm very glad it's over and look forward to the next legitimate buyer. The only reason I wrote about it, is to try and let others know what he kept promising and making excuses for, so maybe they can keep from having the same BS happen to them. Oddly I thought I was sharing something helpfull, but instead seemed to have had folks argue about what happened being a scam or not................they can surely start out like this, the time that elapsed for this to happen is the only way I found out he was full of it, (he sounded just like any polite knowledgable horse person).

[UmmYeah]

Yeah, I hear you. As a seller, it's fine to accept a variety of payments. However, for large amounts and when dealing with buyers that you don't know, I think it's a good practice to actually be a bit inflexible about the terms. A serious buyer is willing to bend to your terms, and then once you know them, you'll feel more comfortable letting them pick how they want to pay.

[reedhill]

UPDATE: Two other sellers have contacted me about the same thing happening to them, with the same man.............SELLERS beware! Multiple horses were going to be purchased, money to be wired, so on and so on.

[ageecee]

Why not call local authorities and tell them and maybe arrest him for fraud. This is fraud is it not?

[Laurierace]

I don't see how telling someone you are going to buy their horse and then failing to see the deal through can be fraud. Annoying yes, not very nice yes but not fraud.

[Altanbarr]

Yes this is a fraud that has been going on for a long time. Twenty years ago it was the Nigerian oil scam. Business executives were contacted by someone posing as a corrupt Nigerian government worker who had skimmed millions from oil sales and needed someone to help him hide the money. All he wanted was the bank account information of the target company and he would supposedly transfer the money to the account of the target business, paying a handsome fee to the executive. Of course, once they got the account information they pillaged the accounts of the target business. You'd be surprised how many people fell for this. The "horse buyer" in this scam only wants your bank account information and a day or two to pillage your account with the cooperation of a foreign bank.

[Laurierace]

The OP said nothing about her bank account being "pillaged" so its not a scam and its not fraud. Its just a tire kicker wasting her time. HUGE difference.

[reedhill]

The OP said nothing about her bank account being "pillaged" so its not a scam and its not fraud. Its just a tire kicker wasting her time. HUGE difference.

I've never had a tire kicker ask for my wire information.
When the same person tells you over a period of time the same
info about himself, bragging, says he's gonna buy horses, you give him the info to wire the money, and he keeps insisting he's sending it,
and he does this to several people, he's crossing the line from tire kicking to attempting to see what he can get away with. The definition of fraud:
Feb 27, 2009 ... In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. His lies and collection of bank info from different sellers boils down to dirt in my book, not tire kicking!

[Laurierace]

Ok you might get me to admit to calling it ATTEMPTED fraud, but if he was not able to get any money from you all he did in the end was waste your time.