Pedigree Query

Heavy bleed 3 yr old , tips,what has worked for you may help him.........???

I would take her out of training for at least 6 months. Upon return I would giver her a lot of long slow gallops. I would breeze her on lasix. If she bleeds after that I would end her career.

Start by telling us what you have tried already. Also what do you feed him and what do you bed on? Is he on clembuterol?

No have not tried clembuterol & dont know if I want to go that route . No experience with that label,,How about your sucess ,,share please? Has been on layup ,currently nothing ,used lasiks origionally .Bedded on shavings.

I have found that clembuterol use over the long haul tends to increase bleeding, that is why I asked that question. What is the horse pre-raced with (ie bute, banamine etc) and what did you treat with at lasix time?

What I am told & what was done are two different , What will be done is now in my hands, That is why I am taking in all. So all info & sharing would be great . We usually use lasiks & have pros & cons I do know the interference & use mostly bute when necessary. We have had sucess for periods ,but I am open for improving .

Time off. Then when brought back, be very cautious.
The chinese herbs for bleeding DO work. Amicar (a double dose) can be helpful, up the lasix amount.

I also tried CK powder (from my vet) on a heavy bleeder. Finally did get the bleeding under control.

has anyone had or seen the JC papers bleeder certificate stamped,,?

The stamp will be in one of the upper corners of the front page of the JC papers. I've had some good results with hyperbaric treatments while horse is on R&R and also agree with D. on adding Amicar with Lasix once horse resumes training. Good luck.

There is no one formula that works in every situation so you have to do a lot of trial and error until you find something that works. I have only ever had one horse that I couldn't get figured out. It was over a decade ago and she bled out the nostrils on leisurely gallops, but it still bugs me that I couldn't fix it.
Stay away from bute and banamine if possible. If you need a pre-race pain reliever use dex. Experiment with lasix, amicar, KY red etc. One filly started out to not be a bleeder at all so I treated her with two ccs of lasix and nothing else. Over the years she got pneumonia twice and pleuritis once. As a result she had so much scar tissue in her lungs that she bled buckets upon endoscopic examination. What finally worked for her was back down to 2ccs of lasix, but TRIPLE amicar! Weird but it worked.

I would ask, what is considered to be "the same old?"
There are many ways to deal with a bleeder. More than mentioned here. CLENBUTEROL is a good place to start. Bronchilaldihilator that is commonly used. Beyond that there is a TON of useful ways to prevent and treat a bleeder. You can PM me if you like

Everyone has given good advice. We had a bad bleeder a long time ago that nothing would fix. It was before clembuterol. Anyhow, we ended up adding shepard's purse (herb) to his feed and it actually worked. I hadn't heard of it before nor since, but for this particular horse it worked. You can buy it at health food stores.

We've had luck with shepherd's purse and yun-yun-poa (SP??) - also refered to as "that Chinese bleeder stuff" . I agree on limiting bute and banamine. Check the rules/testing in your jurisdiction, but conjugated estrogen and Amicar have been a big help to my program at times. I have never, ever had any kind of results from KY red. I do NOT like much Lasix. I would rather use estrogen and Amicar and 3cc of Lasix than I would use 5-7cc Lasix. Just an opinion. I have run alot in highly poluted areas and now run in high altitudes, so I have had to come up with some bleeding solutions.

I would also recommend getting your colt's lungs x-rayed. Hopefully there is a clinic near you with a large enough machine. Make sure he doesn't have any clots and check for scar tissue in the lungs. If you are in a good climate w/out too much pollution, and your xrays are not too bad, you may be able to walk 30 days and go back to light training for 60. Go to www.azequineproducts.com and ask them about a "lung/respiratory product" he makes. It was about $400/month a few years ago, but I had a nice stakes horse who was gushing and that stuff cleaned his lungs up in 5 weeks! And we checked both radiographically and endoscopically!

I would also scope him avery work and every race from here on out. They can bleed without showing outward signs and if you don;t know it will get much worse...

Sorry about the "book", but I have been down your road!

A trainer/friend told me that adding iodine to the feed was used before lasix. might help as iodine is suppose to have other benefits

griff

griff wrote:A trainer/friend told me that adding iodine to the feed was used before lasix. might help as iodine is suppose to have other benefits

griff

I like organic iodide, we feed it everything through at least their 4 yr old year. But, you have to careful not to over do it and goiter one. If they start getting even a little bit of matter in their eyes you have to stop for a few days, and don't think "more could be better" with that stuff, takes very little.