Neigh-Lox

[griff]

Hs anyone used Neigh-lox ??

I used Omeprazole on my two race geldings with very good success.. A Vet told me that the "CURE" does was 1/3 tube per day for a month, then 1/6 tube per day for a month and then 1/12 tube per day as a daily maintenance dose..

That 1/12 tube dose comes in at $1.25 per day which I'm OK with; however, I don't know how you can administer 1/12 of a tube and even be sure any gets in the horses stomach and have stayed at around 1/6th to 1/4 tube per day which is running me $2.50 to 3.75 per day..

Today I ran across an ad for NEIGH-LOX which claims it is the ideal follow up after you have done a course with Omeprazole.. The cost for a 4 ounce daily dose comes in at $1.35 per day..

I don't wish to cheap out for a couple of bucks a day but a couple of humdred a month here and a couple hundred there and it starts to add up to real money.


griff

[Joie]

I'm not sure where you are getting your Omeprazole, but a treatment dose of the compounded Ompeprazole (similar to Ulcergard/Gastrogard) is one FULL tube/day for one month. I have had good luck with 1 full tube each day for 2 weeks, then down to one half tube per day for a week and then 1/4 tube per day for a week, and then onto a maintance product.

I have my vet order Omeprazole from Precision Pharmacy, and it runs about $14/tube, which is MUCH better than the GG or UG at $35/tube.

[griff]

joie

my Vet says the "cure' dose of Omeprazole w/o bismuth is 1/3 tube for 30 days; then 1/6th tube for 30 days then a 1/12th tube maintenance dose thereafter..

The recommended Omeorazole w/bismuth "cure" dose is 1/2 tube for 30 days; then 1/4 tube for 30 days then 1/8 tube maintenance,,

My problem is I don't think 1/12 tube is enough Omeprazole to insure any gets in the horse's belly..

By the way, I believe Gastrgard, which is Omeprazole, recommends the above dosage.

The above dosage seems to have cured my horses and now I'm looking for a maintence product.

griff

griff

[Joie]

gastrogard and Ulcergard are the same thing, labeled differently...and yes, they are Omeprazole. The recommended treatment (cure) dose from Merial is one full tube/day for 30 days, followed by 1/2 tube/day for an additional 30 days.

I have never heard of the treatment (cure) schedule you referred to, which is why I asked which product you were using. Each syringe of GastroGard contains 2.28g of Omeprazole, and the compounded version that I use contains 2.2g of Omeprazole per tube. I am curious what product you are using to get that treatment dose, and where you get it if it is effective.

Some really good "maintance" product ideas, feeds, and a pretty good overall discussion about ulcers can be seen here:

http://www.lunatunesfreestyles.com/horse_ulcers.htm

It's wordy, but easy reading. I've used Aloe Vera juice with much success after a full treatment course of Omeprazole. Of course, my horses are not in a racing situation, so the fact that I can keep them in an environment where they get free-choice hay and pasture, and 27/7 turnout really helps. I've only had one horse that had to continue on any sort of "product", and she is probably going to need special everything for life.

[lindsay_aggie]

I love NeighLox for horses that seem to get run down from stress (training, breeding season, hauling a lot, etc.). It won't cure ulcers but it keeps the "stressy" horses on their feed and looking good.

I agree though that Gastrogard is dosed at 1 tube once daily for 30 days. Half a tube is a preventative dose after that.

[Laurierace]

I love NeighLox for horses that seem to get run down from stress (training, breeding season, hauling a lot, etc.). It won't cure ulcers but it keeps the "stressy" horses on their feed and looking good.

I agree though that Gastrogard is dosed at 1 tube once daily for 30 days. Half a tube is a preventative dose after that.

Nope, full tube is the healing dose and 1/4 tube is the preventative dose. Technically gastroguard is the healing dose as it is labeled and ulverguard is the preventative dose as labeled but the product in each tube is exactly the same.

Griff is talking about a compounded product which obviously varies by lab as to how to dose.

[Joie]

Griff is talking about a compounded product which obviously varies by lab as to how to dose.

Yes, I get that...the compounded product I use is a full tube/day treatment dose like the GG/UG. I'm curious which product and lab griff's vet is using. Those dosages and prices seem very reasonable, comparatively. If it's effective, I might be willing to try it. I'm treating one right now for ulcers, and even though it's a compounded product, and not my horse (he's a boarders former show gelding and OTTB), I hate seeing her pay $13+/day for the product, but that is definately better than paying for GG/UG.

[griff]

The Omeprazole I use comes a 30 ml tube and contains 2.2 gm/ml.. It also says "3 doses per tube..

There is also a Omeprazole with bismuth that recommends 2 doses per tube..

This not Ulcergard or Gastrogard which I agree comes in one dose tubes.

Omeprazole in a 3 dose tube cost me $15 vs. the $15 per one dose tube of Gastroguard. Also, it makes sense to me that a horse needs a smaller maintenance does that it would need to cure ulcers.

$15 per day for daily Gastrogard seems a little excessive to me once you have the ulcers under control.

griff

[Joie]

The tubes I have are only 10 ml, which is why they are only one dose per tube. They are $13.50/tube with a slight mark-up from my vet. I'd LOVE to know which compounding company or lab your vet gets the 30 ml tubes for $15. I think we'd use that lab in a heartbeat.

And, no, I do NOT treat with a full tube after the initial, I use the same dosage as your vet is prescribing, but my tubes are smaller. So his schedule of "the "cure' dose of Omeprazole w/o bismuth is 1/3 tube for 30 days; then 1/6th tube for 30 days then a 1/12th tube maintenance dose thereafter.." is equal to the standard protocol of one full tube for 30 days, then 1/2 tube for 30 days, and then 1/4 tube thereafter.

However, I have been VERY successful with a "short course" of this protocol...which, in your case would be 1/3 tube for 2 weeks, then 1/6th/tube for the next two weeks, and then 1/16th tube for another two weeks.

Once I have done that course I don't keep them on it unless they are traveling, showing, or stressed for any reason. I've only had ONE horse that needs any sort of maintance after the initial Omeprazole schedule, and she's a hard-keeper TB who has had two surgeries in the last year, doesn't do well under ANY circumstances much less hospitilization and stress, and is just difficult anyway.

Also, if the horse isn't too bad off, I've shortened to 1 week full dose, 2 weeks half dose, and then one week 1/4 dose. There are lots of good products and feeds for "forever" maintance out there...U-Guard, Neigh-Lox, Aloe Vera juice, dehydrated green cabbage, oat flour, blah blah blah.
I've found that the best solution is to have hay in front of them ALL of the time (or pasture turnout), and to limit the time spent in stalls, if at all. I also don't feed "grain" per se, but that's a personal choice. I feed a ration balancer, free choice hay and pasture, and molasses-free beet pulp.

If the horse in racing or in training it may be necessary to continue with a maintance dose (in your case, 1/16th tube) after the initial treatment because you CAN'T modify the lifestyle and diet too much, I suspect.

Regardless, are you willing to share the name of the lab where your vet gets the 30ml tubes of Omeprqzole for $15/tube?? That is a significant savings over anything I've seen.

[griff]

I do not purchase my Omeprazole from lab.

Call Abba Vet Supply, LLC at 717-838-8048 and ask them to send you a Price List..

Their prices for vaccine and parasite paste are also pretty good.

griff

[Joie]

Thanks a bunch, griff!

[Laurierace]

I do not purchase my Omeprazole from lab.

Call Abba Vet Supply, LLC at 717-838-8048 and ask them to send you a Price List..

Their prices for vaccine and parasite paste are also pretty good.

griff

You don't buy it from a lab but they do.

[griff]

I guess it all comes from a lab some where along the line

griff

[Laurierace]

The label is right on the tube. I believe he gets it from Precision Pharmacy but can't remember for sure as I haven't bought it from him recently.

[griff]

where ever they get it, $15 for a 30 ml tube or three each "cure" doses comes in at $5 per dose or $150 per month.

griff