Byerley Turk - small correction

[diomed]

LOL. "Certain British Lady".....
Understand. That comment tickled my ribs.
Anyways. Thank for that clarification.
The Caspian horse, I also recall reading about their type being like an early Arabian.
So the Ottomans desired the Turkish horse and managed to acquire them. Wouldn't the size of that strain appeal to them more than the lower stature desert horses?
From what I read the Turkish horse was a more desired horse in general by many facets of tribes and nations.
Anyways, even if the Ottomans did not develop the Turkoman, they used them and I believe that is how the Byerly Turk came into the hands of the British. The story makes sense.
I often wonder though why the cross of Turk/Spanish or Barb worked so well.
Whatever the case, it sure created a fast horse.

[russianhorses]

Hi,

yeah, you got whom I meant quite alright

The "Turkish" horse was the Turkoman or the Turkoman partbred, it wasn't smaller nor was it an Arabian. You need to look at ancient political charts to understand this better. "Turkish" equals "Ottoman" at the era, it does not equal Turkmenia.

There are enough instances traded down time when the Ottoman (aka Turkish) leaders bought thousands of Turkoman horses and populated their stables with them, often including the attached mercenary or stable boy.

So, what the Western European called "Turkish" indeed actually were "Turkoman" horses or the 2nd and 3rd generation descendants of Turkoman horses. There's simply no question that at that time these people preferred Arabians.

The Turkoman Argamaks were taller and faster than any of what went by as Arabian at that time, and they made the better warhorses. The closest to Arabian that these people bought were Persian horses and they were for the common cavalry soldiers, not for officers, chiefs and khans. So of course they preferred the tall, fast "Turkmen Ats". Byerley Turk most likely had been spoils of war from some Turkish officer and as such he sure must have been a Turkoman horse.

Liz

[xfactor fan]

The Muniqi mare sure seems to have the TV Lark withers.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?showpi ... 1203846373

Hope they had lots of padding on the saddles or quick stops would be painful.

[Matchemforever]

And I think the fourth horse in your first set of photos reminds me of Sweep.

Thanks russianhorses!

These types certainly seem to have more in common with Thoroughbreds than the Arabians.

[wilf]

Great stuff indeed! Thanks so much for the amazing photos.

[Shammy Davis]

The Nez Perce Horse Registry (NPHR) program began in 1995 in Lapwai, Idaho and is based on cross-breeding the old-line Appaloosa horses (the Wallowa herd) with an ancient Central Asian breed called Akhal-Teke.[1] This program seeks to re-establish the horse culture of the Nez Perce, a tradition of selective breeding of Appaloosa horses and horsemanship that was destroyed in the 19th century.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nez_Perce_Horse

[xfactor fan]

Thanks for the link to the Nez Perce Horse Registry. Don't know if you've looked at many of the horses, but the first generation crosses--Appy x Turkoman, look a whole lot like early TB's. There was one stallion who looked a whole lot like St. Simon.

I hope the Nez Perce succeed with their breeding program.

[russianhorses]

Hi,

but the first generation crosses--Appy x Turkoman, look a whole lot like early TB's. There was one stallion who looked a whole lot like St. Simon.

Now, that is not exactly astonishing. The Akhal Teke they are using are highly to very highly infused with Thoroughbreds, just as the Appaloosa, even the socalled foundation stock, has both Hispano and Thoroughbred background.

Liz

[Shammy Davis]

www.nezpercehorseregistry.com/

[Shammy Davis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appaloosa# ... _Perce_War

[xfactor fan]

http://www.nezperceappaloosas.com/sys-t ... ction=Next

This guy apparently jumped himself out of a 6 ft high round pen. Pretty much from a standing start.

[Shammy Davis]

Xfactor posted:

This guy apparently jumped himself out of a 6 ft high round pen. Pretty much from a standing start.

There is something about the western horse. When I started shoeing, I made the rounds of breeding farms between Tulsa and Wichita. I was shoeing a QH broodmare one day that I had tethered with a two foot lead to 6' high board fence. I had started to work on the left hind hoof and all of sudden she pulled her leg and disappeared over the fence. I turned to see her staring back through the slats, as if nothing had happened. With the two foot lead rope still tied, she had jumped that 6' foot fence using three legs. Remarkable. I don't tell this story often, because no one believes me.

[vineyridge]

Wonderful thread!

Love the photos, and can definitely see the resemblance to TBs in the old pictures. The modern Akhal-Tekes have taken long to whole new dimensions.