Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[ElPrado]

That's not what I asked for, Louis. I want written proof, not some drivel from a vet you say you got from a vet. Give me an actual book I can read it from. Get the vet to name the book. I can get it myself.
You can get arthritis from an injury. I was run over by a truck when I was 2. Would you like my lower legs, 58 years later? I can't walk as well as you, and I can't care less if you're 90.
Bold Ruler had injuries from a paddock accident as a young horse, not heredity.

[Patuxet]

Louis wrote:
Bull Hancock was a Master Breeder, he knew when to use an outcross. BH bred three of his Champions by Bold Ruler using those NP outcross mares. BH brought in the outcross thru those mares, not the unrelated stallions. His 3 Champions were:

WAJIMA b. C, 1972---Bold Ruler---Iskra, by Le Haar, Ph. over Swynford
GAMELY b. F, 1964---Bold Ruler---Gambetta, by My Babu, Ph. over Tourb illon.
LAMB CHOP ch. F, 1960---Bold Ruler---Sheepsfoot, by Count Fleet, Ph. over Sundridge.

Nevertheless Lamb Chop broke down during the 1964 Strub Stakes at Santa Anita Park, had to be euthanized and was buried in the Santa Anita infield.

What's your point, Louis?

[louis finochio]

When filly's & mares run against colts & geldings, they have to run too hard, it takes too much out of them. The result is many of them are injured & never regain their forum.

[BenB]

Mind you Parlo, that Louis stated, that Coolmore went away from the fashion breds.

What have they done, they have been breeding and buying hunderds extra from them.

Louis, that,s why the fillies get less weight on their backs.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... stec-derby

Louis just read the last part of the artical: racing in Cal makes my stomach goes round.

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0 ... ians-view/

[parlo]

Mind you Parlo, that Louis stated, that Coolmore went away from the fashion breds. ...

Well, what I've said several hundred pages ago: Our dear Louis takes it as it pleases him - there is no consistensy, there are no rules in his "theory" but exceptions. That makes him such a great "researcher" in his very own world far from reality.

[louis finochio]

The great filly Ruffian went down to injury in her match race with Foolish Pleasure. Bug Brush filly, set a new world record for one-mile an one eighth, 1:46:2 when beating Hillsdale. Bug Brush was never the same after that race, it took to much out of her.

[BenB]

Louis, that useless replies from you, have we seen hunderds of times already.

You just do not take it well when somebody makes remarks about your postings and statings

[louis finochio]

Those days of oats, hay, & water plus NFB, produced our sound tbs of the past. Our FB of the present cant withstand the rigors of training & racing, so the younger generation of trainers, dont know how to keep their tb sound.

Those milkshake's are a temporary bandaid, that the cheater's use to their advantage. Those individuals should be banned for life.

Camelot is a NFB being inbred, 3 X 5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 ND---4 X 5 Special mare by Forli=Hyperion NP outcross.

[ElPrado]

And probably last week he was a FB. You only change your mind as often as you change your pants. If he had lost he would have been a FB, because then he would have fit your so called theory.
Oh, that's right, we aren't suppose to notice.

[parlo]

One fatal weakness of Louis's "research" is its incompleteness - for some 6 years of this thread he has been denying to give acomplete overview, but presents well selected "evidence" fitting his thesis. No true researcher and scientist can do this - just "pedigree-researchers", what ever this may be.

Here is a "complete" overview over all 9 participants in yesterday's Epsom Derby:

name of horse // inbreedings // Ph-male lines // sire-line
Camelot // 3x5x5 ND // 11 // Nasrullah-Nearco--Ph
Main Sequence // 5x5x5x5 ND // 10 // MrP---Native Dancer---Ph
Astrology // 3x4 ND; 3x4 MrP; 5x5 HTR // 11 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Thought Worthy // none // 5 // HTR---Nearco--Ph
Mickdaam // 5x3 ND // 9 // MrP---Native Dancer---Ph
Bonfire // 4x3 ND; 4x5 Dschingis Khan // 6 // Bahram-Blandford
Minimise Risk // 5x4 HTR; 5x4 Almahmoud // 8 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Rugged Cross // 4x4 ND; 5x4 Sir Gaylord // 5 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Cavaleiro // 5x4 ND // 7 // Nasrullah-Nearco--Ph


Most striking features:
- the number of sire-lines tracing to Phalaris > 9 in a 5-gen-ped was the secret of success!
- the closer the line-breeding to Northern Dancer the better the result in yesterday's race.

[ElPrado]

He can't see it. Therefore he won't admit it. Selective blindness.

[louis finochio]

With our breed now 95% Ph. it reflects what you posted Parlo. If those Euro races were run on dirt, all those ND inbreeding would not stay sound very long. Lets hope Sea The Stars makes his mark as a stallion. We need his outcross pedigree in are gene pool.

All of those Sadlers Wells progeny need those NP outcross mares to breed sound individuals.

[ElPrado]

But they aren't run on dirt. The whole point you are arguing is imaginary.

[parlo]

A "complete" glance on the 2011 Epsom Derby delivers a similar result as the 2012 Epsom Derby. At least 9 crosses to Ph-line-sires are a necessary, but not sufficient condition for success. In 2011 all participants have traced to Phalaris in direct male-line, the winner has had the closest line-breeding to Northern Dancer.

name // inbreedings // Ph-sire-lines // Sire-line:

Pour Moi // 3x4 ND // 10 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Treasure Beach // 3x5 ND // 9 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Carlton House // 5x3 Never Bend // 10 // MrP---Native Dancer---Ph
Memphis Tennessee // none // 8 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Native Khan // none // 7 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Recital // 3x5 ND; 5x5 Zeddaan // 7 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Vadamar // 4x5 MrP // 12 // Nasrullah-Nearco--Ph
Masked Marvel // 3x5 ND // 8 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Pisco Sour // 5x5 ND // 12 // MrP---Native Dancer---Ph
Seville // 3x5 ND; 5x4 HTR; 5x5 Nearco // 10 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph
Ocean War // none (dam 3x3 ND, 3x4 Flaming Page) // 6 // Nasrullah-Nearco--Ph
Castlemorris King // 4x3 ND // 8 // Nasrullah-Nearco--Ph
Marhaba Malyoon // 4x5x4 ND; 5x5x5 Natalma // 7 // Nearctic-Nearco--Ph


But of course we can change the complete European racing-system into running on dirt, conceding the loss of those phantastic race-tracks, and legalization of drugs to produce those environmental conditions which are necessary for Louis's "well-proved" breeding-theory.

So, @Louis, do you comprehend where true research and science begin? It takes more than just a few fitting examples.

[BenB]

Better is: take all those dirt tracks out, replace them by synth tracks, abandon all racedaymedication, and implement the IFHA racing rules and one will see the rise of the USA horserace scene.

Breakdown rates will be on international standards. Running without med,s will slow down the racing times, and thus the breakdown rate.