Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[louis finochio]

DANEBAR (AUS) b. G, 1999 DP = 3-3-8-0-0 (14) DI = 2.50 CD = 0.64 - 86 Starts, 8 Wins, 10 Places, 15 Shows Career Earnings: A$336,550

Winnings: 86 Starts: 8 - 10 - 15, A$336,550

DANEBAR b. G 1999
Danehill Dancer---Miamber, by Red Anchor

Danebar has 17 crosses NP---15 crosses PH thru his sires & dams.
Danebar is a Non-Fashion Bred as he is nbred 5 X 5 Natalma.
Danebar's dam Miamber has no dupe inbreeding & is a total outcross.
When u look at the dams of Danehill's unraced progeny, u will find those mares had the same inbreeding that Danehill had in his 5 generation pedigree, thats why Danehill had a prolific number of unraced progeny, as those were matings of Fashion.

[xfactor fan]

parlo,

It took about 15 seconds to verify the information about steroids causing brittle bones. Just type in steroid, side effects and bone loss into a search engine. I was trying to check information from BenB's post. Which proved to be absolutely correct.

Given the scary information out there, I would strongly advise anyone training, or who owns horses to look up the information themselves. It should scare you silly.

[Shammy Davis]

WARNING: THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS THREAD IS UNSCIENTIFIC AND UNTESTED. ANY REPRESENTATION TO THE CONTRARY IS ANATHEMA TO GOOD JUDGMENT AND COMMON SENSE WHEN BREEDING THOROUGHBRED RACEHORSES.

[parlo]

... When u look at the dams of Danehill's unraced progeny, u will find those mares had the same inbreeding that Danehill had in his 5 generation pedigree, thats why Danehill had a prolific number of unraced progeny, as those were matings of Fashion.

And how many of Danehill's G1-winning-progeny are "fashion bred" as well?

This should be a sample easily to survey and so to research. Where is your problem, @Louis, to do this task?

[louis finochio]

TWISTED LYRIC (USA) ch. C, 2003 DP = 6-4-9-0-1 (20) DI = 2.64 CD = 0.70 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $1,560

Breeder: C. A. Luke
State Bred: KY

Foaled February 24, 2003.
Euthanized after breaking down in a work at Santa Anita, January 19, 2009.

TWISTED LYRIC ch. C 2003
Distorted Humor---Musical Cat, by Storm Cat

TL had 18 crosses NP---14 crosses Ph. thru his sires & dams.
TL was a Fashion Bred as he was inbred 4 X 4 ND Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nearctic Nearco branch Ph---5 X 5 Natalma Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nashua Nearco branch Ph.

[parlo]

So a 4x4 Northern Dancer is "fashion bred" and that 3x3 Northern Dancer in Big Brown is not?

There must something be heavily wrong in your thesis and this total thread

[louis finochio]

OLD FASHIONED (USA) gr/r. C, 2006 DP = 10-11-5-0-2 (28) DI = 5.22 CD = 0.96 - 4 Starts, 4 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $323,280

Owner: Fox Hill Farms, Inc.
Breeder: Rod Rodriguez & Lorraine Rodriguez
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 4 Starts: 4 - 0 - 0, $323,280

At 2: Won Remsen S. (G2,Aqu)
At 3: Won Southwest S. (G3,OP,8F)

Foaled January 27, 2006.

OLD FASHIONED gr. C 2006
Unbridleds Song---Collect Call, by Meadowlake

OF is a Non-Fashion Bred as he has 24 crosses NP 8 crosses Ph.---3 to 1 more NP than Ph.
OF is inbred 4 X 5 RAN Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Prince John Princequillo branch Prince Rose outcross.

The stamina in OF immediate family are Ambiorix---Eight Thirty---Prince Blessed---Prince John---Olympia---Chamossaire---In Reality---Wild Risk---Tom Rolfe---Dr. Fager---Porterhouse---Native Dancer.

The speed in OF family are Nasrullah---Native Dancer---Grey Sovereign---RAN---Dr. Fager---Olympia---In Reality---

This is a brillant mating of speed & stamina, which OF inherited thru his ancestors. Congrats to OF breeder for avoiding the temption of those Fashion matings.

[Bunty Lawless]

TWISTED LYRIC (USA) ch. C, 2003 DP = 6-4-9-0-1 (20) DI = 2.64 CD = 0.70 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $1,560

Breeder: C. A. Luke
State Bred: KY

Foaled February 24, 2003.
Euthanized after breaking down in a work at Santa Anita, January 19, 2009.

TWISTED LYRIC ch. C 2003
Distorted Humor---Musical Cat, by Storm Cat

TL had 18 crosses NP---14 crosses Ph. thru his sires & dams.
TL was a Fashion Bred as he was inbred 4 X 4 ND Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nearctic Nearco branch Ph---5 X 5 Natalma Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nashua Nearco branch Ph.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the track or the trainer or what the horse had in its system.

This all reminds me of the pharmaceutical industry where there is a pill for everything and that pill will create 5 new ailments.

[louis finochio]

A wise man would not race his car wih bald tires in the Indy 500, thats why these Fashion Breds are the 1st to come apart when they are worked or race with underpining of suspicious origin thru inbreeding to the max.

[parlo]

...thru inbreeding to the max. [ ]

... or through medication to the max ...

[xfactor fan]

Louis did this horse race on steroids? If so, you can't blame inbreeding for the breakdown. And while I don't expect any answer from you on this issue, the post is for everyone else lurking about.

Please take a moment to google steroid, bone loss and side effects. Should scare anyone who cares about the health of their horses.

In short while steroids build muscle, they erode existing bone, and prevent the formation of new bone. So in effect the horse has more muscle mass, stronger muscles, and fragile bones. This combination tends to equal breakdowns on the track. Which is exactly what is happening to racing here in the US. Where we allows lots of medications.

So until Louis starts posting the medication history of the horses in addition to their breeding, his whole theory is nothing but nonsense.

[louis finochio]

i dont ask the vets how much med is given to our tbs, as thats the vets personal private area of detail. the vets said that steroids are not the cause of these injuries & breakdowns, inbreeding to the max is the culprit.

[Bill from WA]

I have had many vets, nuclear physicists, genetic scientists, clergymen, sanitary engineers, and 5th grade students tell me that inbreeding WASN'T the cause of these injuries and breakdowns. That makes it a FACT!

Bill

[xfactor fan]

Louis,

Do you want to think about that statement for a moment? The vets you talk to won't tell you how much steroids they are giving the horses, and yet have convinced you that the sole problem with fatal breakdowns is inbreeding?


Can I sell you a bridge? There are several really nice ones here in Portland.

[docjocoy]

I have had many vets, nuclear physicists, genetic scientists, clergymen, sanitary engineers, and 5th grade students tell me that inbreeding WASN'T the cause of these injuries and breakdowns. That makes it a FACT!

Bill