When you are mentioning potential sport horse His Majesty sires, you can't forget Roanoke. I especially like him because his dam was Last Bird, a daughter of Sea Bird, who has stellar French jumping lines through his dam. Roanoke is also the sire of the Advanced event horse, Tsunami, who used to be ridden by Kim Severson and is now ridden by Sally Cousins.
He's older now, was moved to Illinois last year, and his stud fee was only $1250 for 2008.
Origins of the TB jump
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cewright wrote:vineyridge wrote:Now I'm on a search for active St. Simon line sires in NA. I know that the Prince Rose sons (including Princequillo) are rare as hen's teeth, that Siphon is sire line St. Simon, and Wild Risk is dying. I don't know if Joe Who is still standing. Ribot is hanging on through His Majesty. These guys are all Blacklock line from King Fergus. St. Simon may more active in South America.
Can you all help with a list of sires, most of whom are going to be in out of the way places?
This is an interesting thread. My avatar is a picture of my daughter riding her World Champion Jumping QH mare which is tail male to Bold Ruler. We also have a TB broodmare we use to breed Appendix QH hunters which is tail male to Bold Ruler.
As far as active His Majesty line sires, I think there are quite a few and for the most part they are reasonably priced for the jumper market. Pleasant Tap and Pleasantly Perfect are probably a bit expensive for most HJ breeders. However, Cormorant decendents Go for Gin, Albert the Great and No Biz all look to me like viable sires for this market. Other decendants of His Majesty which I think should be considered include Cetewayo and Raffies Majesty. I continue to be amazed with how unpopular Ribot line horses are commercially considering how often Ribot appears in the pedigree of classic winners.
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I just learned that Ancient Quest, another stakes winning son of His Majesty, is standing in Texas for <$1000.
Russian Trakenaar
This is a question for all you pedigree experts for which I have the greatest admiration! How you sort it all out and retain the information is beyond me!
A friend recently acquired a Russian Trakenaar (sp) and he has the most Arab looking head- very broad across the forehead with large round eyes and big cheeks ( for a gelding) with a slight dish.
She told me he had a lot of TB in him as well. I was wondering if there was a site one could research the Russian lines of this breed at? I'm just very curious where that head came from! I have seen Tb,s with Arab-like features but not to this extent!
And yes, he can jump. I believe his name is Hertzmann but not sure is it is spelled right or if that is his complete name.
A friend recently acquired a Russian Trakenaar (sp) and he has the most Arab looking head- very broad across the forehead with large round eyes and big cheeks ( for a gelding) with a slight dish.
She told me he had a lot of TB in him as well. I was wondering if there was a site one could research the Russian lines of this breed at? I'm just very curious where that head came from! I have seen Tb,s with Arab-like features but not to this extent!
And yes, he can jump. I believe his name is Hertzmann but not sure is it is spelled right or if that is his complete name.
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You should ask about the Russian Trakehners over on the CoTh Breeding forum. There used to be a Russian poster who was really into them. The Russians took a huge number of the horses from the East Prussian stud after WWII, and that's where they got their foundation stock. They also took quite a few German TBs at the same time, including Raufbold. The last surviving Oleander sire line is Russian from Raufbold.
I do know, from doing some German WB research that the Trakehner stud had a LOT of Pocahontas blood from the early days. As I recall, some of their foundation stock had as many as four different offspring of hers, both males and females, and the Trakehner (East Prussian) stud did do a lot of linebreeding. German Warmbloods seem to be very heavily based on Pocahontas.
Trakehners have always been known for using Arabs as outcross stallions. It would not be at all strange for a Trak to have Arab features.
I do know, from doing some German WB research that the Trakehner stud had a LOT of Pocahontas blood from the early days. As I recall, some of their foundation stock had as many as four different offspring of hers, both males and females, and the Trakehner (East Prussian) stud did do a lot of linebreeding. German Warmbloods seem to be very heavily based on Pocahontas.
Trakehners have always been known for using Arabs as outcross stallions. It would not be at all strange for a Trak to have Arab features.
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I don't know where I've been but I just picked up on his thread. I'm delighted because we are involved in hunt and point-to-point. All our hunt and field horses are TB. A matter of fact all of our horses are TB.
Someone remarked that good hunt horses are stayers and I agree. Someone commented about BR's get being good, but I've seen a number of Mr. P and ND. Last year at one of the hunts, I saw a very tall athletic Island Whirl gelding.
Before I completely retired a couple years back, I managed a hunter/jumper barn during the school year for a local women's college. The school owned about 50 horses and the vast majority were TB or TB crosses. This school competed in show jumping, but occasionally participated in eventing and hunt. At eventing and hunt, the school horses were absolutely terrible because they had been consistently schooled in the ring. Placed in a group or with field of horses, the schooled horses were useless and normally returned to the barn early with very frustrated young ladies trying to figure out why their show jumper could not take a 3' coop.
No specific pedigrees caught my eye, but most were OTTB that had been donated to school and of course were unsuccessful racers.
One of the comments that I heard a lot in regards to conformation concerned the "jump bump." From what I can tell it is accentuated rise at the croup. I didn't take the "jump bump" trait seriously because we had similar horses at our farm and we also had the more rounded croup. Both did fine in the field and I really don't think it is a significant conformation trait to look for.
I will say though that when we visit different hunts, I do hear the "jump bump" comment as riders refer to their horses. It makes for good conversation amongst riders and owners who haven't a clue about conformation and breeding.
Anyone have any thoughts on "jump bumps?"
Someone remarked that good hunt horses are stayers and I agree. Someone commented about BR's get being good, but I've seen a number of Mr. P and ND. Last year at one of the hunts, I saw a very tall athletic Island Whirl gelding.
Before I completely retired a couple years back, I managed a hunter/jumper barn during the school year for a local women's college. The school owned about 50 horses and the vast majority were TB or TB crosses. This school competed in show jumping, but occasionally participated in eventing and hunt. At eventing and hunt, the school horses were absolutely terrible because they had been consistently schooled in the ring. Placed in a group or with field of horses, the schooled horses were useless and normally returned to the barn early with very frustrated young ladies trying to figure out why their show jumper could not take a 3' coop.
No specific pedigrees caught my eye, but most were OTTB that had been donated to school and of course were unsuccessful racers.
One of the comments that I heard a lot in regards to conformation concerned the "jump bump." From what I can tell it is accentuated rise at the croup. I didn't take the "jump bump" trait seriously because we had similar horses at our farm and we also had the more rounded croup. Both did fine in the field and I really don't think it is a significant conformation trait to look for.
I will say though that when we visit different hunts, I do hear the "jump bump" comment as riders refer to their horses. It makes for good conversation amongst riders and owners who haven't a clue about conformation and breeding.
Anyone have any thoughts on "jump bumps?"
Just for interest here's a horse that I own who REALLY has the jump.
I don't know how to put in that link but his name is Clint, 1999 b. h by Here We Come. 17 hands, three outs at age four, no win, place, show.
Not only can he jump over things but he can launch himself straight up about 6-8 feet from a stand-still when playing and turn around in the air and hit the ground running. Scares the daylights out of me when he does that.
I don't know how to put in that link but his name is Clint, 1999 b. h by Here We Come. 17 hands, three outs at age four, no win, place, show.
Not only can he jump over things but he can launch himself straight up about 6-8 feet from a stand-still when playing and turn around in the air and hit the ground running. Scares the daylights out of me when he does that.