Early patterns of the TB.

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:29 pm

Thanks PZ.
I would love to get a copy of that book(Early American Turf Stock), but alas, it is rare and very expensive.
Someday, if I ever get to a library that has it I will copy some pages for reference.

Oh, and thanks for the info on Family 15.

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:23 am

To get info on all the Janus II offspring I have been using both the TB and All-Breed databases.
I am finding that the TB database is much more reliable, yet there are QH founders that are only listed in the All-Breed site..
I am trying to weed through them all since this is really my only current source.
Bits and pieces from "Foundation Dams of the American Quarter Horse" are helpful(I am using the limited preview from Google Books).

As far as sources for speed(in both breeds), I am finding Himyar very interesting.

Sylvie Hebert · Postby **Sylvie Hebert** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:38 pm

there is a book called "Elements of speed" very good try to find it

vineyridge · Postby **vineyridge** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:17 pm

Domino was supposed to be one of the fastest horses who ever set foot on a racetrack. He certainly passed speed or the ability to pass on speed to Commando who passed it on to Colin, Celt, Peter Pan and Ultimus.

It's sort of sad that the sire line has survived until today only through Colin's descendant, Ack Ack/Broad Brush.

Pan Zareta · Postby **Pan Zareta** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:42 am

vineyridge wrote:It's sort of sad that the [Domino] sire line has survived until today only through Colin's descendant, Ack Ack/Broad Brush.

Domino died at 6 and only had a handful (<30) foals. It's rather remarkable his branch of Eclipse's sire line survives at all. His 'tail male' line flourishes in the QH via Equestrian 1936, sire of Top Deck, Stymie, et al.

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:45 am

Domino's relevance in both TB and QH pedigrees is VERY amazing despite his low number of foals.
I find it very interesting that he is from the Himyar line, which I suspect carries a very unique speed element.
Himyar is very prominent in QH pedigrees as well.

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:15 am

Domino is all over American thoroughbred blood lines. While the male tale sire lines are thin, the female side is all over the place. Any time Sweep shows up, or War Admiral, there is a line to Domino. Ultimus and Supremus are present in a lot of pedigrees.

Miesque carries a line of Domino via Neriad.

Given that Domino only had a few offspring, it is amazing that he is present at all.

Matchemforever · Postby **Matchemforever** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:08 pm

You will find two crosses of Domino in the female side of Bold Ruler.

There are at least three in the dam side of Native Dancer. (Whoops, one on the sire side, too)

Both of those dam lines were Discovery on the sire's side.

Raise A Native had four from Native Dancer, plus Raise You added three more.

vineyridge · Postby **vineyridge** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:26 pm

I was looking at Broad Brush and his offspring's earnings. He was an amazingly good sire of very durable and very good race horses. Not so good a sire of sires to date, but Include is starting out well.

Broad Brush is Domino tail male through Neddie.

Matchemforever · Postby **Matchemforever** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:14 pm

Here's a site I came upon looking for something else, as usual. Lists books of interest:

http://horsebooks.freeyellow.com/bibliography.htm

vineyridge · Postby **vineyridge** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:37 am

What a great site. Diomed will be fascinated by all the QH books.

I, on the other hand, would love to have the hundred year anniversary book on the History of the British HIS.

vineyridge · Postby **vineyridge** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:43 am

PZ, I've suspected for quite a long time that there was an affinity between between 2, 8, and 16. That they have a sort of female nick. IF they share one of the two variations of the F haplotype, might that explain it?

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:30 am

vineyridge wrote:What a great site. Diomed will be fascinated by all the QH books.

I, on the other hand, would love to have the hundred year anniversary book on the History of the British HIS.

That is a great list!
I have some of those books too! Of course, that was back when I could afford them. LOL!
I don't collect the books for monetary use. I actually use them and have read them all.
She needs to include Patterns of Greatness II though. One of my personal favorites.
I would love to get my hands on Alexander Mackay's Colonial book. He seemed fascinated with speed much like I am.

Elles · Postby **Elles** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:40 am

I bought the colonial book signed by Mr. MacKay himself from Susan Larkin. I am very proud of the book and it is an interesting read. It traveled all the way across the ocean.
I believe Susan started this website: http://stockhorses.informe.com/forum/

Pan Zareta · Postby **Pan Zareta** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:40 am

vineyridge wrote:PZ, I've suspected for quite a long time that there was an affinity between between 2, 8, and 16. That they have a sort of female nick. IF they share one of the two variations of the F haplotype, might that explain it?

It's conceivable that individuals might be bred selectively for autosomal traits complementary to their mtDNA haplotype, so an affinity for the same haplotype seems plausible.

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Alexander Mackay-Smith's critical approach and use, knowledge, and citation of reliable source material place him above and alone among authors who have addressed the evolution of Quarter racing and the Quarter type/breed in North America (The Colonial Quarter Race Horse, 1983).