Inbreeding To Secretariat

[Patuxet]

In the Question About Position in Pedigree thread bcassidy wrote:

"Bold Ruler loves to be inbred to himself and almost the more the better---as long as he is not being duplicated through two doses of Secretariat"

Can anyone else substantiate that observation?

When I looked for stakes winners out of Risen Star mares I found that there aren't very many of them, but at least five are by sons of Storm Cat and therefore involve inbreeding to Secretariat.

[madelyn]

G1 Goldmine is a Great tool for looking at this kind of data. Secretariat x Secretariat in the first 5 generations has produced ~ 43 graded stakes winners (not counting maybe horses in the last month or two). Bold Ruler x Secretariat has produced 254 GSW's, including the Sec x Sec, so a net of 211 graded stakes winners where Bold Ruler was inbred through Secretariat and NON-Secretariat. Bold Ruler x Bold Ruler has produced 440 GSW's, including the previous results, so a net of 186 graded stakes winners where Bold Ruler was inbred entirely without Secretariat.

[Patuxet]

Thanks, madelyn, for the information. Goldmine is very useful. I have it in my "winter" pc in FL but not in this "summer" laptop.

[karenkarenn]

Hello, I have a question if anyone is still there.
Our filly Sunday Belles in inbred to Bold Ruler in the fourth generation is that a cause for concern?
Karen

[Patuxet]

Karen:

These are Bold Ruler negatives that I've come across :

Frank Mitchell in "Racehorse Breeding Theories":

"There was more than a trace of offset knees in the Bold Ruler clan; mating Secretariat back to some of the family members might have been total disaster."

Rommy Faversham writes of the mating of Buckpasser to Bold Ruler mares: "The results were less than good. Subsequent theorization has included observations that Buckpasser often got horses with knee and foreleg problems, while Bold Ruler had a tendency to pass on arthritis."

[griff]

Please look at Perfect Colours and provide suggestions for a 2009 stallion:

She is:

4S x 3D to Secretariat
5S X 4D X 4D to Bold Ruler
5S X 3D X 4D to Somethingroyal
5S x 5D to Buckpasser

Her dam is very inbred being by Risen Star and out of a daughter of Somethingroyal by Reviewer [by Bold Rular]

She's in-foal to Domestic Dispute for 2009 and considering Cherokee Run for her 2010 foal.

griff

[xfactor fan]

Grif,

Could you take a look at the posted photo of Accerleration, and see if this is an accurate image. He looks a bit odd. Sort of like Northern Dancer legs with a Secretariat type body. Or anyone else who's seen the horse in person provide feedback.

Do you have any conformation shots of Perfect Colours, or her other foals? Or her dam?

[griff]

Yea, he [Acceleration] looks like he's part bassett hound..

I've got some photos od Perfect Colours but I don't know how to post them on this site.. PM me your email address and I'll attach some pictires of PC to a return email..

She's got very good bone and legs and is short coupled.. Fact is the only real confromation fault I can find is she has is a short neck..

I think a mare with this kind of breeding should be able to produce when or if we can fins the right stallion..

[xfactor fan]

Her produce record was goofed up in the database. She had multiple sets of twins. Will do. Also if you have any photos of her offspring?

[ASB]

Master Command is a typical representative of a horse who favors their Secretariat inbreeding.

He' extremely top heavy with massive girth but on legs that short underneath such mass. I'm half tempted to breed a Risen Star mare to him. She's average size with some good bone but without the mass of the Secretariat line.

[griff]

ASB

Are you trying to produce a BaSSETT HOUND?/


griff

[xfactor fan]

Accelerator who is also a Bassett Hound: Run, doggie run!!


ACCELERATOR (USA) dkb/br. H, 1994 DP = 15-13-26-0-0 (54) DI = 3.15 CD = 0.80 - 24 Starts, 4 Wins, 3 Places, 9 Shows Career Earnings: $414,908

[ASB]

The Risen Star mare I have in mind is leggy. And if the basset could run, sign me up!

Master Command has quite a bit of Lord At War in him too. Got to love that.

[griff]

did not realize that Accelerator was line bred Secretariat

grfiff

[Primordial]

I have a son of Risen Star and would love to see more of your daughter for my pedigree records. I will have TB foals next year... but only have an Anglo Arab colt by him at the present.

Very well moving, superb disposition and very Classy!